[Trade] Flames trade Mangiapane to Capitals for COL 2025 2nd

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I remember the Young Guns era and it can't be worse than that. Not possible.

I don't understand this mindset?
For the young guns era the flames made the playoffs 4 time and the cup finals once. The young guns a
Era officially is 1995 to 2003.A couple of years they were 2 and 3 in the divisions and failed. Seems to be the usual cthe usual course ala 2019 to 2022 . 2006 to 2009 is always the worst in my mind. Always top of the leugue but could never get past the first round

The young guns era isn't as bad as nostalgia would lead you to believe. We've had much more recent years that sucked with a much better roster.

2010 to 2024 has yielded the least amount of results compared to the young guns era. No cup appearance only advanced in 2015 and 2022. By the numbers the young guns era is better than the Last 14 years. I was around for the young guns .

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I held on for a while that Conroy was going to try and walk the edge but I have come around to agreeing this is definitely a rebuild.

Last hold out finally gives in!

[Sandman]

I don't know if it truly is a rebuild. With all this cap space burning a hole in his pocket, Conny will probably be active in Free Agency, in an attempt to ice a competitive team until all of these draft picks turn out. It's probably been mandated by Edwards.

I'm fine with that, as long as he isn't trading high picks for anything other than very young roster players. Make those picks!

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I don't know if it truly is a rebuild. With all this cap space burning a hole in his pocket, Conny will probably be active in Free Agency, in an attempt to ice a competitive team until all of these draft picks turn out. It's probably been mandated by Edwards.

I'm fine with that, as long as he isn't trading high picks for anything other than very young roster players. Make those picks!

Think I agree with you. We will find out the plan in the next couple of weeks.

I can’t see keeping Huberdeau, Coleman, Backlund, kadri, Weegar, Anersson and not trying to be remotely competitive.

I’m not surprised Mangiapane got traded. I had him circled as a cantidate. He was quite inconsistent after his big year and one of the team’s higher paid wingers.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I don't understand this mindset?
For the young guns era the flames made the playoffs 4 time and the cup finals once. The young guns a
Era officially is 1995 to 2003.A couple of years they were 2 and 3 in the divisions and failed.

The Flames were swept in the first round in 1996, and the ‘Young Guns’ slogan was adopted well after that. The team missed the playoffs every year from '96-97 to '02-03, and had no hope of being competitive against any of the seven or eight teams with effectively unlimited budgets. That is the era we're talking about. There's no ‘officially’ about it.

By the numbers the young guns era is better than the Last 14 years. I was around for the young guns .

By the numbers, missing the playoffs every year is distinctly worse than making the playoffs about half the time and occasionally winning a round.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I truly am happy for Mangiapane. I think this gives him more opportunity to really show he is one of the better two way players in the league. I hope he excels in his middle 6 wing role in Washington and gets a great contract next season. Thanks for all the memories Yeast mode. I’ll always root for you.

Conroy has blown my expectations out of the water within in a year. He’s making the right decisions, takes calculated risks, but also looking ahead. I don’t think we could’ve asked for a better GM to get us through this rebuildtool

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Seeing the Flames making these moves makes me more likely to go to games, not less.

For you and other die hards who don't mind watching prospects develop while making a lot of mistakes on the ice in games that they most likely lose a vast majority of the time, which is probably about 40% (being very generous here) of the fanbase attending games. For the non die hards, it'll have the opposite effect.

[kaddy]

Hopefully he’s not planning a play for any of these dude.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6leQ...FvbGkzamZkdQ==

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Seeing the Flames making these moves makes me more likely to go to games, not less.

That's fine but you must understand you'd be in the very small minority. People pay for winners, bottom line.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Just to pick on you because you posted but I think the other trades are an expectation versus reality thing. Which one was disappointing in hindsight?

My point is more that the initial reaction to most of Conroy’s trades are met with light disappointment. It does not take long to have a big chunk of the fanbase come around to the deal quickly and in the case of Toffoli be completely wrong about it. Just look at most of the trade threads in the last year. Usually it begins with comments like “that’s it”. I think many expected a 1st for Tanev, 2nd for Zadorov, the 10th pick for Markstrom. I feel like this trade and the Lindholm trade were met with immediate satisfaction from the fanbase and did not need to sober up or have hindsight help change their mind

[BrownDrake]

I’m beginning to wonder and hope to be honest that perhaps Ownership is allowing the rebuild as long as it’s got a timeline for the new building and it involves a lower payroll? If the flames are clipping along at a $65-$70 million dollar hit they lose a bit less money during this 3 year period.
Here’s hoping, I’m gonna be sick if we sign guys with term and aim for 16th overall.

[flambers]

With this trade, in my view its likely a case of who actually wants to be part of the Flames during a retool/rebuild phase.

Great trade, really good value in return not to mention the valuable cap

[Scroopy Noopers]

I don’t understand what the capitals are even doing this off-season.

Anyway, thanks for the great times EatBread. Atta be Conroy.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by BigThief

That's fine but you must understand you'd be in the very small minority. People pay for winners, bottom line.

In this market for sure
The real trick will be keeping bums in the seats over the next 5-10 years

[kyuss275]

IMO I think this is connys second best value trade he has made. Lindholm obviously #1. He got a 2nd for a middle slightly high paid winger. Middle wingers at trade deadline sure weren’t going for much. No retention is huge. Yes the cap space , but for me it’s still having that retention spot going forward that is huge.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

All in good time. Gotta maximize value of those guys by tearing down slowly.

The smart thing to do now would be to offer the moon on 1y deals to top ufas and then retain salary at deadline and sell them for first round picks as rentals.

There’s good reason to believe that with how this team is going to look over the next while, the value of those players will never be higher than it is right now

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by BigThief

That's fine but you must understand you'd be in the very small minority. People pay for winners, bottom line.

Agreed - and the other option was not producing a winner any time soon

This team was old , in cap he’ll , and very few / no true impact prospects

Attendance was already the lowest since 03/04, and 25th in the league

Does it really matter if another 1000 people don’t come ?

People already had decided they weren’t coming because they weren’t winning and were boring

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Agreed - and the other option was not producing a winner any time soon

This team was old , in cap he’ll , and very few / no true impact prospects

Attendance was already the lowest since 03/04, and 25th in the league

Does it really matter if another 1000 people don’t come ?

People already had decided they weren’t coming because they weren’t winning and were boring

You’re right, another 1000 won’t matter.
What’s missing though is last time this team was really bad for a long period of time, it was more like 5 or 6 thousand empty seats and that does matter
I’m not saying that what is going on now isn’t necessary, what I’m saying is that now we are going down this road, it’s our turn to step up and buy tickets. Hell, many of us wanted this in the first place

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you missed the Young Guns era in the 90's be damn thankful.

Truer words have never been posted

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Mangiapane is tearing it down? Lol if a soft 3rd liner with low hockey iq is tearing it down then you may have overrated Mangiapane.

I'll never get the Mangiapane hate.

I do get the let down after scoring 35 in a contract year, but his metrics suggest anything but soft and low iq.

Fans seem to latch on to players for their disapproval. He's been a target.