[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[getbak]

Allen's value at the trade deadline was likely inflated because Fitzgerald was desperate to upgrade his goaltending and crapped the bed on acquiring Markstrom. There wasn't much of a goalie market at the time, so Hughes took advantage of him.

Also, the trade conditions have the draft pick New Jersey is sending to Montreal going from a 2025 third to a 2025 second if Allen plays at least 40 games next season and Allen's team makes the playoffs. The Devils will want to move him to a team where those conditions are unlikely to be met and the Flames without Markstrom are a pretty good candidate for that.

[Vinny01]

Markstrom+Pospisil+41st pick
For
Allen+Bahl+Holtz+10th pick

How much do the flames need to retain on Markstrom for this deal to make sense for NJ?

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Markstrom+Pospisil+41st pick
For
Allen+Bahl+Holtz+10th pick

How much do the flames need to retain on Markstrom for this deal to make sense for NJ?

Markstrom/pospisil for 10 and allen. Easy.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Markstrom+Pospisil+41st pick
For
Allen+Bahl+Holtz+10th pick

How much do the flames need to retain on Markstrom for this deal to make sense for NJ?

Seems very convoluted for just trading Markstrom imo

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Having a bad year, but not quite bad enough to meet the conditions to keep our pick only to get Florida's in the 25-32 range would suck.

Whatever happens this series, I think Florida might be might be due for an off year.

Not top ten pick bad, but they’ve played a lot of hockey in the last 24 months.

It catches up to you.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Markstrom+Pospisil+41st pick
For
Allen+Bahl+Holtz+10th pick

How much do the flames need to retain on Markstrom for this deal to make sense for NJ?

200%? That's grossly stacked for the Flames.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Markstrom+Pospisil+41st pick
For
Allen+Bahl+Holtz+10th pick

How much do the flames need to retain on Markstrom for this deal to make sense for NJ?

Allen is a pure cap dump so whatever 2 million dollars is worth is something the Flames are already giving the Devils. That value almost balances out whatever Holtz is worth (assuming he is worth a 2nd round pick). So I guess the question for me would be what how much is Pospisil and a 41st pick for Bahl worth, figure out that deficit for the Devils and you can probably figure out how much salary on Markstrom the Flames need to retain.

[kehatch]

Allen is a 33 year old lower end backup costing almost 4 million a year. The deadline doesn't represent his value. NJ was desperate after the Markstrom deal fell through.

I get he can put up a 1B workload and that he had some good years in St Louis, but he hasn't been good for awhile. The Flames don't need him and would be taking him as a dump only.

That said, I think we are overestimating Markstroms value. Over the past three seasons he had about a season and a half of stellar play, the rest was meh, and his playoff series against the Oilers was terrible. He is 34 with two more years at 6 million per.

If the Flames retain salary and take Allen maybe you get 10 OA. If your expecting more you might be disappointed. I also won't be shocked to see this go past the draft for an underwhelming return. Hope to be wrong though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why are we adding Pospisil?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Allen is a 33 year old lower end backup costing almost 4 million a year. The deadline doesn't represent his value. NJ was desperate after the Markstrom deal fell through.

I get he can put up a 1B workload and that he had some good years in St Louis, but he hasn't been good for awhile. The Flames don't need him and would be taking him as a dump only.

That said, I think we are overestimating Markstroms value. Over the past three seasons he had about a season and a half of stellar play, the rest was meh, and his playoff series against the Oilers was terrible. He is 34 with two more years at 6 million per.

If the Flames retain salary and take Allen maybe you get 10 OA. If your expecting more you might be disappointed. I also won't be shocked to see this go past the draft for an underwhelming return. Hope to be wrong though.

Allen isn’t costing almost 4. He’s getting $3.3M in salary with half being paid by Montreal. So he’s going to cost $1.65M and come with a $1.925M cap hit.

[Royle9]

Yes no need to add anything, just keep it simple.

Markstrom for 10th with retention, this has been rumoured to be what’s on the table by many sources at this point so there’s no need to say we’re overvaluing it.

If they want to dump Allen that’s fine, he can take the 1B duty and be flipped if need be.
For doing so they can add in Holtz.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Allen is a 33 year old lower end backup costing almost 4 million a year. The deadline doesn't represent his value. NJ was desperate after the Markstrom deal fell through.

I get he can put up a 1B workload and that he had some good years in St Louis, but he hasn't been good for awhile. The Flames don't need him and would be taking him as a dump only.

That said, I think we are overestimating Markstroms value. Over the past three seasons he had about a season and a half of stellar play, the rest was meh, and his playoff series against the Oilers was terrible. He is 34 with two more years at 6 million per.

If the Flames retain salary and take Allen maybe you get 10 OA. If your expecting more you might be disappointed. I also won't be shocked to see this go past the draft for an underwhelming return. Hope to be wrong though.

Devils have to be looking at Holtz and thinking that right now may be the highest value that 10th overall pick holds. If it turns out like Holtz you could be in a position where you are trading what would have been the value of a 7th overall (in his case) for a 38th overall pick or something. Often times these top 10 picks have their highest value right before they are used to draft a player.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Allen is a pure cap dump so whatever 2 million dollars is worth is something the Flames are already giving the Devils. That value almost balances out whatever Holtz is worth (assuming he is worth a 2nd round pick). So I guess the question for me would be what how much is Pospisil and a 41st pick for Bahl worth, figure out that deficit for the Devils and you can probably figure out how much salary on Markstrom the Flames need to retain.

Holtz is worth a 2nd in the same way Coronato is worth a 2nd.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yes no need to add anything, just keep it simple.

Markstrom for 10th with retention, this has been rumoured to be what’s on the table by many sources at this point so there’s no need to say we’re overvaluing it

Can you provide any source that says the 10th is in on the table for Markstrom? If it was then I think the deal would be done.
All I have seen is Dreger thinking it will take the 10th overall and Jersey ‘open’ to moving it. Same with general speculation about Buffalo’s pick

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why are we adding Pospisil?

They can have Duehr.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Holtz is worth a 2nd in the same way Coronato is worth a 2nd.

Sven Baertschi was traded for a 2nd round pick after 3 mediocre professional seasons

Lias Anderson was traded for a 2nd after 3 mediocre professional seasons.

Might want to wait until Coronato has played 3 mediocre seasons before making that comparison. Holtz has kinda hit that mark of mediocrity though.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sven Baertschi was traded for a 2nd round pick after 3 mediocre professional seasons

Lias Anderson was traded for a 2nd after 3 mediocre professional seasons.

Might want to wait until Coronato has played 3 mediocre seasons before making that comparison. Holtz has kinda hit that mark of mediocrity though.

No, he really has not. He had 30 points in his first full NHL season and he's been point per game in the AHL the 2 seasons before that. But if you want to think he can just be a throw in in order for us to take on Allen's salary you can think that.

[ForeverFlameFan]

For me it’s as simple as Markstrom @50% and an average prospect for 10th OA and Allen OR Markstrom (full cap hit) and Mangiapane (50%) for Allen, Palat, and 10th OA. Mangiapane would just be a rental for Jersey. Could even find a team like the Sharks, Utah, or Ducks to get an additional 3rd/4th to retain 50% on Mangiapane to get him to 1.45m for Jersey. That would be enticing for them, to gain a goalie and a decent middle 6 winger to replace Palat at 1/4 of the cap hit.

Any trade that has us trading a top 64 pick should be a no go. We need to ADD picks not subtract.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

For me it’s as simple as Markstrom @50% and an average prospect for 10th OA and Allen OR Markstrom (full cap hit) and Mangiapane (50%) for Allen, Palat, and 10th OA. Mangiapane would just be a rental for Jersey. Could even find a team like the Sharks, Utah, or Ducks to get an additional 3rd/4th to retain 50% on Mangiapane to get him to 1.45m for Jersey. That would be enticing for them, to gain a goalie and a decent middle 6 winger to replace Palat at 1/4 of the cap hit.

Any trade that has us trading a top 64 pick should be a no go. We need to ADD picks not subtract.

Taking on Palat just by himself is worth an 11th overall pick according to puckpedia.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Taking on Palat just by himself is worth an 11th overall pick according to puckpedia.

Great, then it’s an overpay to grab the pick because other teams are also trying to acquire it.