WCSF: Vancouver Canucks [PAC1] vs Edmonton Oilers [PAC2] - Edmonton wins 4-3

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by kevman

Vancouver has home ice so it should hopefully be the other way around. Edmonton is much better at home than on the road so Vancouver getting 4 out of 7 at home goes in their favour.

I like how that doesn't even appear considered in the talking heads predictions.

Such shallow analysis. Don't think! Just hit the big red McDavid button, because McDavid.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I do sometimes wonder how you would react if the Oilers actually did win a cup. Same goes for the many others in the vocal crowd.

Like would you quit hockey for a while or would you come up with all the excuses about how the Oilers got lucky and their win doesn't count.

It hasn't happened but would CP completely shut down for a while?

What a weird thing to wonder about; it's not happening and the joy of watching the twins leave is coming soon.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I do sometimes wonder how you would react if the Oilers actually did win a cup. Same goes for the many others in the vocal crowd.

Like would you quit hockey for a while or would you come up with all the excuses about how the Oilers got lucky and their win doesn't count.

It hasn't happened but would CP completely shut down for a while?

Not that it would happen because they're a bottom two team of the ones remaining, but technically they should've never been granted that McDavid lotto win to begin with, considering how the rules are today.

The league doesn't want more than 2 wins close together for any team, evidently.

The only reason they're relevant at all is by slipping through the welfare cracks by sheer dumb luck before the rules cracked down.

What they've "built" around that wouldn't suffice around any other player. The job Holland and his predecessors have done is like a C-grade at best. Hence the zero cups, and why it's more than likely to remain that way until their departure.

Sometimes you need elite players to overcome an opponent (see COL), but to go all the way requires a well rounded team with contributions from every one. The Oilers simply do not have that, and are one of the worst I've seen at even strength in a playoff scenario. When the PPs dry up, they'll fall short.

[GirlySports]

Crazy that Edmonton and Vancouver have only met twice ever. 86 and 92

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not that it would happen because they're a bottom two team of the ones remaining, but technically they should've never been granted that McDavid lotto win to begin with, considering how the rules are today.

The league doesn't want more than 2 wins close together for any team, evidently.

The only reason they're relevant at all is by slipping through the welfare cracks by sheer dumb luck before the rules cracked down.

What they've "built" around that wouldn't suffice around any other player. The job Holland and his predecessors have done is like a C-grade at best. Hence the zero cups, and why it's more than likely to remain that way until their departure.

Sometimes you need elite players to overcome an opponent (see COL), but to go all the way requires a well rounded team with contributions from every one. The Oilers simply do not have that, and are one of the worst I've seen at even strength in a playoff scenario. When the PPs dry up, they'll fall short.

I agree that Holland has done an absolutely awful job building around the two. Like look at Crosby and Malkin, Toews and Kane, MacKinnon and Makar. Once you get players like that, the rest should be easy. Thankfully, it's not as easy as it seems I guess.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Crazy that Edmonton and Vancouver have only met twice ever. 86 and 92

Huh


I was going to say crazy they have met so often, considering how no good they have been for so long

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What a weird thing to wonder about; it's not happening and the joy of watching the twins leave is coming soon.

Not really. I mean, fanaticism is an interesting thing to think about. You have guys on here forgoing reason, ignoring facts, sometimes contradicting themselves just to justify personal beliefs. I think it's crazy.

As for the over-the-top love for McDavid from the panel, it is annoying. But they did that with Crosby too. We were just a bit more immune to it because most of us don't hate Pittsburgh as much as Edmonton.

I agree with you on waiting for McDavid to leave asap. Then at least we can maybe just appreciate a pretty good player.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I do sometimes wonder how you would react if the Oilers actually did win a cup. Same goes for the many others in the vocal crowd.

Like would you quit hockey for a while or would you come up with all the excuses about how the Oilers got lucky and their win doesn't count.

It hasn't happened but would CP completely shut down for a while?

What that I have said do you disagree with? They haven't won a game past the 2nd round in the McDavid era. You are here talking Crosby and whatever. What am I ignoring? Colorado is way better, Dallas is way better.

I mean Oiler fans are thanking your posts...should tell you something. They aren't very good. Quote me if you like, they aren't winning the cup. There are 8 teams left and they are 7 or 8, lucky for them they are playing the other 7 or 8. I'm not hiding anything, you have been fooled by propaganda.

Oilers are 2-8 Vs. Colorado and Vegas in the last two playoffs, they aren't a big dog no matter how bad Sportsnet wants you to think they are. YOU are the one ignoring facts, they are 2-8 against actual cup contenders in the playoffs. Vancouver ain't winning it either so sure this round is a tossup.

every year its "I hate to say it but the Oilers blah blah blah and you"
no, I'm right and will be proven right....AGAIN

Talk to me in two-four weeks about "ignoring facts"

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What that I have said do you disagree with? They haven't won a game past the 2nd round in the McDavid era. You are here talking Crosby and whatever. What am I ignoring? Colorado is way better, Dallas is way better.

I mean Oiler fans are thanking your posts...should tell you something. They aren't very good. Quote me if you like, they aren't winning the cup. There are 8 teams left and they are 7 or 8, lucky for them they are playing the other 7 or 8. I'm not hiding anything, you have been fooled by propaganda.

Oilers are 2-8 Vs. Colorado and Vegas in the last two playoffs, they aren't a big dog no matter how bad Sportsnet wants you to think they are. YOU are the one ignoring facts, they are 2-8 against actual cup contenders in the playoffs. Vancouver ain't winning it either so sure this round is a tossup.

I actually didn't disagree with anything you've said. I just asked you a hypothetical because i was curious, because I know you support everything Flames. Not that there's any problem with that.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Not really. I mean, fanaticism is an interesting thing to think about. You have guys on here forgoing reason, ignoring facts, sometimes contradicting themselves just to justify personal beliefs. I think it's crazy.

As for the over-the-top love for McDavid from the panel, it is annoying. But they did that with Crosby too. We were just a bit more immune to it because most of us don't hate Pittsburgh as much as Edmonton.

I agree with you on waiting for McDavid to leave asap. Then at least we can maybe just appreciate a pretty good player.

Crosby led his team to the cup at the age of 21 and Canada to an Olympic gold at 22. He added 2 more cups by the age of 30 and another gold at 26.
Mcdavid is 27 and hasn't made a final yet.

The media should gush about him like Crosby when he does something like Crosby.

But I get your point about how homerish and twisting some posters are.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Buff

Game 1 on Wednesday... NHL gotta make sure McGoldenchild is rested.

Yeah, why is it now that the Oilers get additional rest again for the second consecutive round? Legit scheduling problem? Hopefully its just enough time for them to lose whatever mojo they mustered against that crappy L.A team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I actually didn't disagree with anything you've said. I just asked you a hypothetical because i was curious, because I know you support everything Flames. Not that there's any problem with that.

You suggested I was ignoring facts, forgoing reason, while suggesting the Oilers have a legit chance at a cup.
I am suggesting if you actually feel this way you have been fooled by propaganda.

all reason and data shows that the Oilers are not good enough to beat a real contender. I don't need bias to tell you the Oilers aren't winning the cup, they aren't good enough. Like did you watch Vegas/Dallas tonight? Worrying about the Oilers winning the cup is like worrying about being eaten by a Shark...its not happening.

[d_phaneuf]

Dhaliwal days its cuthbert, which I assume means Simpson too

Anything but debrusk and the carnival barker

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

"If they did win"

Requires suspending reality to such an extent that it doesn't even seem worth addressing with seriousness.

Do you actually see them overcoming VAN, DAL/COL and NYR/FLA?

That could be 3 Vezina caliber goalies in a row.. against Skinner and Calvin Pickard.

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, why is it now that the Oilers get additional rest again for the second consecutive round? Legit scheduling problem? Hopefully its just enough time for them to lose whatever mojo they mustered against that crappy L.A team.

The NHL probably expects a short series, so starting it later makes sense

[GirlySports]

The rest favors Vancouver, Demko gets healthy

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The rest favors Vancouver, Demko gets healthy

Was coming to complain about the lack of game and announcement. Like you start a Game 7 and a Game 1 today.

Demko should heal.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You suggested I was ignoring facts, forgoing reason, while suggesting the Oilers have a legit chance at a cup.
I am suggesting if you actually feel this way you have been fooled by propaganda.

all reason and data shows that the Oilers are not good enough to beat a real contender. I don't need bias to tell you the Oilers aren't winning the cup, they aren't good enough. Like did you watch Vegas/Dallas tonight? Worrying about the Oilers winning the cup is like worrying about being eaten by a Shark...its not happening.

You also said there is no way the Kings are losing to the Oilers. And zero chance the Kings aren't going to make it a series because Edmonton is just that bad.

Listen, I hope the Oilers don't win another game. But let's not be so biased and extreme in our opinions.

According to Vegas odds the Oilers are the favorite to win the west and favorites to win the cup. Will they? Probably not. But any team left very well could make a run.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

You also said there is no way the Kings are losing to the Oilers. And zero chance the Kings aren't going to make it a series because Edmonton is just that bad.

Listen, I hope the Oilers don't win another game. But let's not be so biased and extreme in our opinions.

According to Vegas odds the Oilers are the favorite to win the west and favorites to win the cup. Will they? Probably not. But any team left very well could make a run.

Doesnt really mean a thing.

Todays odds are based on wagering throughout the season, and if the Oilers are favored it just means that the public has bought into the hype and are betting on them.

Vegas/books sets odds at the beginning of the season and they get adjusted from there.... everyday.

No idea or at least i dont remember who the sportsbooks installed at the beginning of this year and it could have been the greasers, but since that time its the bettors that have decided who they think will win....not some deep thinking/analytical/nonbiased source.

All that aside,and after watching that Nucks/Preds series, i see no possible way Vancouver beats the Oilers.

THat was some horrendous hockey that will only work against offensively limited teams. Edmonton is not that.

Oilers in 5.

[transplant99]