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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You never buy what I'm selling!

But I don't think the math is that simple. It's not like both players are frozen in time.

Huberdeau isn't 115 point Huberdeau this season, and Kadri isn't a replacement for Tkachuk.

Definitely there is no replacement for Tkachuk

But Huberdeau put up 115 playing with Sam Bennett as his main C, and Duclair on the wing, so not with a Tkachuk

Huberdeau can’t be 115 point Huberdeau playing dump and chase

I’d be interested to see the stats from (I think is is) sportlogiq (not interested enough to pay for them though)

They are the ones that provided the data for this article last year

https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/ana...-rush-chances/


Edit: that article breaks down which teams are the best at creating and defending rush chances. The Flames were near the top in both categories last year.

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Sad. Deluxe's post led to this article



https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...cup-contender/

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CFO

In highlight. Flames should of pushed to sign MK to max deal instead of a bridge and made him captain. At that point you trade Gio, Gaudreau and Monahan. Keep Bennett and retool with salary cap room and assets.

Hindsight game is even simpler than that. Don't sign and sign Tkachuk to a longer contract if he was willing. Although I am not sure if that was ever really an option.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Huberdeau has said they play a more north-south game here, compared to the east-west in Florida

Damn right he is being asked to dump and chase. Many times he skates up to the blue line and dumps it in. As a fan of skill, it’s been frustrating to watch

He is being a good soldier and it stinks to watch

Yes, because players have all the time in the world to think about what their coach wants them to do. Forget about the other 5 guys in different jerseys who are chasing and pressuring said puck carrier down like a dog on a bone. There's no time to think out there man, it's a small ice surface, so you have to rely more on your instincts.

Plus, Huberdeau doesn't even excel with carrying the puck on his stick and pushing the pace. It's probably the same reason we haven't seen much end to end rushes from him or why he's not the bump back guy on the PP. It was the same thing in Florida from the games I saw. It was Barkov instead and Kadri now with the Flames.

Lastly, even if you are right. That would only explain one aspect of his struggles (scoring on the rush). What about every other aspect of the offensive game? Does he dump and chase when he's already behind the net?

[Strange Brew]

There's a few things being said here that are stated as fact and I just don't think they are accurate.

Huberdeau is not the same player as Gaudreau. He is not comfortable maneuvering with the puck through traffic the way Gaudreau does and expecting him to have the puck on his stick as much as Gaudreau is unrealistic.

Huberdeau is being told to dump and chase? I'm not buying it, I don't see a lot of instances where I expected him to carry the puck and he dumps it in.

The Flames give up the puck more than other teams when entering the zone? I don't see that either and I don't see metrics that support it. Flames do well in zone time, shot attempts and shots. That's not a team playing without the puck and chasing.

IMO the Flames do lack puck carriers though. Kadri can do it, but he plays like Paul Newman in Slapshot where the puck is nailed to his stick. Until it isn't.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There's a few things being said here that are stated as fact and I just don't think they are accurate.

Huberdeau is not the same player as Gaudreau. He is not comfortable maneuvering with the puck through traffic the way Gaudreau does and expecting him to have the puck on his stick as much as Gaudreau is unrealistic.

Huberdeau is being told to dump and chase? I'm not buying it, I don't see a lot of instances where I expected him to carry the puck and he dumps it in.

The Flames give up the puck more than other teams when entering the zone? I don't see that either and I don't see metrics that support it. Flames do well in zone time, shot attempts and shots. That's not a team playing without the puck and chasing.

IMO the Flames do lack puck carriers though. Kadri can do it, but he plays like Paul Newman in Slapshot where the puck is nailed to his stick. Until it isn't.

Have you been looking for it before I mentioned it?

I have seen it

At any rate, that’s why I’d love to see the micro stats, the zone entry data and rush chance data

I am quite confident it will support what I have been observing all year


(And we know Gaudreau was tops in the league at generating off the rush last year and Tkachuk and Mang were top 50.)

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Postgame links
https://stats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl/recap/146976
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/games/2466918
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401459859
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...-nhl-1.6805460