Sutter is the problem

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Which makes having Sutter even more confusing when Brad said when he hired Peters that we need our coaches building relationships with players and out of the video rooms.

You need a coach who has the trust and relationships with players to push them but also come to them with issues they are having.

Which describes some of the coaches Brad tried to hire but did not work out. How many more coaches do we need before we find the magic coach.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Lots of people know that Sutter coached teams tend to be hard working; As well that Flames have struggled to bring in a coach who can get consistency out of our teams. Sure the players have changed but how many coaches is it going to take?

Who do the Flames need to bring inf they can Sutter. Your suggestions are welcome? I get that you don't like Sutter, and I can agree to some of your takes but let's not let the players off the hook and let's not assume getting rid of Sutter will fix or improve the problem.

Good question. I don't know I think Mitch Love with what he has done with a roster of unskilled players that Sutter talks about is a good candidate.

I don't know how Brad hires his coaches but he is bad.

You need to ask these guys how they will organize the team and utilized the talent and get the best out of them. Just because you believe in one way of playing doesn't mean that style will work with the group.

Lots of little details in the game. If you roll 4 lines and have the 3rd line out for a 50 second shift and get a icing call are you goimg to toss out the 4th line or use your offensive players in that situation to build off that momentum?

How about matching lines and playing a match up game on home ice?

A lot of these things we don't do. Sutter is a lazy coach this year putting in the bare minimum effort and wants his team to do the same and just sneak into the playoffs. You need to want more and expect more. We won the division last season and this season your expectation is to somehow squeak in not build and try to win the conference.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I think he needs an elite player, or 2 for his system to work. He had that last season. approach this season.

Well, that’s the thing no one here is pointing out until now.

Every coach -> team needs elite players to not be on the bubble of being competitive one night and not the next. We lost 2 elite forwards and replaced with one forward who this season has seemed to be quite pedestrian.

We added a very good defenseman but lost one unexpectedly. In fact it seems we lost a key puck mover that really drove offense.

We had elite goaltending last year but this year not so much.

No coach or system fixes that many weaknesses to suddenly make a not elite team elite. Any coach who is here will have those challenges.

We need another top 6 forward. An elite goal scorer and preferably one who can really carry the puck and make zone entries. Right now we are missing enough parts that our better players become easy to cover and we don’t have enough true threats.

It’s like saying your car mechanic is no good but your race car is missing the turbo charger and it has a sub standard fuel pump. You blame the mechanic but all along, mechanic is saying we need a turbocharger and a new fuel pump. Amazingly you are still winning sometimes.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Its puzzling even more that there was zero communication with the player when the switch was made and yesterday when the switch was made again.

You have NO IDEA if that is true or not. Truly silly comment.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

You have NO IDEA if that is true or not. Truly silly comment.

Huberdeau said so himself. So take your silly crap out of here.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huberdeau said so himself. So take your silly crap out of here.

Citation? Have never seen that discussed. Happy to be wrong if I am. (I'd also be surprised.)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Citation? Have never seen that discussed. Happy to be wrong if I am. (I'd also be surprised.)

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...1&postcount=39

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Tkachuk is full of #### confirmed lol.

In fairness to Tkachuk it is a pretty shallow pool of coaching talent he has played under in the NHL.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Tkachuk played Treliving and got a free trip to Florida. That was long before Sutter showed up.

His was the third to fifth version of that same contract that summer.

Sergachev and Point in Tampa preceded it for sure.

If an agent demands it you pretty much have to go with that model or face a lock out.

Now if he had more cap space it would have been interesting ... then you could have rolled out an 8x8 and see if he jumped.

Guessing he turns it down.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They may pinch to keep the puck alive but they close along the walls and just rim it around. They are not making plays with the puck and getting into the dangerous areas. A lot of skate it along the walls to be safe or wire it on net with no screens set up.

We've seen Andersson do complete laps of the net.

Hanifin taking it wide and skating it around the net or setting someone up.

Just not true.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huberdeau said so himself. So take your silly crap out of here.

The yesterday comment (from right back to left) I see and hadn't run across as was out of town...don't know about the original switch to the right side though.

Anyway - Darryl's communications to players are not generally available to the public...and even Hubes comment yesterday isn't much more than any player normally being moved up or down the line IMO. Don't really know that there is a lot to be made from that.

Did he tell Dubes that he was getting pushed down to the 4th line? Or higher up? Probably not.

[dino7c]

Without Sutter's kick in the ass I don't think teams are falling over themselves to trade for and sign Tkachuk at 9M+

heck some short memories here...people hated the contract because we would have to qualify him at 8M! and he isn't worth anywhere near that (paraphrasing)

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Without Sutter's kick in the ass I don't think teams are falling over themselves to trade for and sign Tkachuk at 9M+

heck some short memories here...people hated the contract because we would have to qualify him at 8M! and he isn't worth anywhere near that (paraphrasing)

Awesome.

Sold high and got Huberdeau plus Weegar

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Without Sutter's kick in the ass I don't think teams are falling over themselves to trade for and sign Tkachuk at 9M+

heck some short memories here...people hated the contract because we would have to qualify him at 8M! and he isn't worth anywhere near that (paraphrasing)

I'm pretty sure the qualifying offer was $9M.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Without Sutter's kick in the ass I don't think teams are falling over themselves to trade for and sign Tkachuk at 9M+

heck some short memories here...people hated the contract because we would have to qualify him at 8M! and he isn't worth anywhere near that (paraphrasing)

And without Sutter's kick in the ass Tkachuk is closing in on another 100+ point season and leads his team in scoring by 30 points.

I'll never forgive Flames management for that stupid 3 year contract that allowed him to walk.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah I don't think it was Sutters kick in the ass that got them going especially Johnny.

His value was at an all time low going into a contract year. They said the offer from the Flames was embarrassing. He probably realized that if he was going to sign his last contract and get paid like a star he would have to perform like one on and off the ice. Two embarrassing playoff performances and 2.5 years of coasting and reality hits that is now your worth.

Put up another 60 point season you'll get to go home just not for 10 million a season.

The contract years sparked those massive seasons.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

And without Sutter's kick in the ass Tkachuk is closing in on another 100+ point season and leads his team in scoring by 30 points.

I'll never forgive Flames management for that stupid 3 year contract that allowed him to walk.

The only players who signed long term deals on thaf RFA class was Mikko at 9.25 and Austin Matthews at 11.5 walking both to free agency.

The thought of Mathew Tkachuk on a long term deal paying him 9 plus a season would make sick especially after how he performed they following seasons and his no show in the playoffs.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah the goaltending has not been great but Vladar was giving us quality starts and the coach kept putting in Markstrom that's on Sutter.

Scoring 1 goal against bottom feeders like Montreal and Anaheim won't win you many hockey games.

So, I think it's been proven out pretty clearly that Sutter had good reason not to have a lot of confidence in Vladar taking over the net. He's not that good - so not sure what is "On Sutter"... Vladar proved he is not the answer in net.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by VilleN

So, I think it's been proven out pretty clearly that Sutter had good reason not to have a lot of confidence in Vladar taking over the net. He's not that good - so not sure what is "On Sutter"... Vladar proved he is not the answer in net.

He was winning hockey games when Markstrom wasn't.

If the goal is to squeak into the playoffs you need to win. He kept going back to a goalie some people referred to as the Swedish sieve here.

That's on Sutter thr team and goalies don't pick the lines and starters.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The only players who signed long term deals on thaf RFA class was Mikko at 9.25 and Austin Matthews at 11.5 walking both to free agency.

The thought of Mathew Tkachuk on a long term deal paying him 9 plus a season would make sick especially after how he performed they following seasons and his no show in the playoffs.

Hindsight but that was clearly the wrong decision. We are now stuck with a 30 yrs old 50 pt scorer for the next 8 years for 10.5M