[Barn Burner] Boomer: "You were wrong"

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’ll nitpick here because I’ve seen the 2013 draft referenced a couple times now. I object to the notion that the Flames blew it that day. Monahan was a tremendous pick at 6. His body broke down. Not the Flames fault. Poirier wasn’t a bad pick either. He had off the ice issues that derailed his career. IIRC he had two very good post draft seasons and was on track to be a contributor, at least, at the NHL level. Labeling that pick a bust misses the mark. Klimchuck you might want to have back but that’s what you get most of the time when you’re picking 28th.

If the Flames are going to trade Toffoli, Lindholm,Tanev, Hanafin, Backlund or whoever else has a year and a half left, that’s about the range you can expect. Late 20’s for a guy who might help 3-5 years down the road.

Well that is only if the player, like Iginla, only gives you one team to trade with. Thankfully Toffol and Lindholm can be traded to 31 teams and the other 3 can be traded to 21 teams.

If Horvat gets a 1st, a former 2nd and a NHL player, Lindholm who is on a much better contract would get at least that, likely more.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well that is only if the player, like Iginla, only gives you one team to trade with. Thankfully Toffol and Lindholm can be traded to 31 teams and the other 3 can be traded to 21 teams.

If Horvat gets a 1st, a former 2nd and a NHL player, Lindholm who is on a much better contract would get at least that, likely more.

That’s great if 31 teams actually will make offers for Lindholm, but you and I both know that would not be the case. Especially if you’re talking before the deadline.

The Canucks took the Islanders offer because, in all likelihood, they weren’t going to get a proposal from any other team with as low a pick in the 1st, 2023, made available.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

That’s great if 31 teams actually will make offers for Lindholm, but you and I both know that would not be the case. Especially if you’re talking before the deadline.

The Canucks took the Islanders offer because, in all likelihood, they weren’t going to get a proposal from any other team with as low a pick in the 1st, 2023, made available.

Well yes, I suppose it is possible that none or only one of the 31 teams wants Lindholm in this scenario. That would severely drop the value of the return. I would agree that it is unlikely that a team with as low of a pick as what the Isles will likely have will be in the market. It might be possible though to have different prospects or picks thrown in to make it a better offer.

[PepsiFree]

We are probably going to get 7-8 years out of high quality play from Lindholm, based on his skill set.

We have nobody on the farm close to replacing him, and nobody on the team at his level, and centres better than he is are simply not made available unless they’re older or young and going for top 5 picks. So, if you’re trading Lindholm, you have to accept that you’re going to be worse for a long time, and might not have a #1 centre for the next half decade or more.

We have enough young guys and guys in their prime that trading the best of them is probably a mistake as it needlessly screws our chances for more years than it has to.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We are probably going to get 7-8 years out of high quality play from Lindholm, based on his skill set.

We have nobody on the farm close to replacing him, and nobody on the team at his level, and centres better than he is are simply not made available unless they’re older or young and going for top 5 picks. So, if you’re trading Lindholm, you have to accept that you’re going to be worse for a long time, and might not have a #1 centre for the next half decade or more.

We have enough young guys and guys in their prime that trading the best of them is probably a mistake as it needlessly screws our chances for more years than it has to.

To me, Lindholm is priority one this offseason. For the sake of clarity, I would only consider trading him if he says he’s not interested in signing long term. I really hope that’s not the case.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TOfan

To me, Lindholm is priority one this offseason. For the sake of clarity, I would only consider trading him if he says he’s not interested in signing long term. I really hope that’s not the case.

I agree. If you can get him on 8, you do it and don’t look back. If it’s not happening, trade him with 1st rounders as the priority because there’s just no way you’re going to replace him with players or prospects that people would give up.

Ideally, we keep Lindholm long term and if it becomes clear that we need to retool we do so around a core that includes him as the most important piece.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

To me, Lindholm is priority one this offseason. For the sake of clarity, I would only consider trading him if he says he’s not interested in signing long term. I really hope that’s not the case.

If that is the case then I’d be on board with selling off the rest of the soon to be UFAs.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Lindholm could have the longevity to be our version of Bergeron (lite, obviously), playing and contributing into late in his 30s

Depends on whether he's up for the growing pains this team is sure to experience, probably sooner than later

[Badgers Nose]

You guys are nuts. What could possibly lure Lindy to miss out on lucrative free agency?

He’ll say all the right things until its too late and then take the best offer. And there will be many to choose from.

Calgary means nothing to him any hint that it does derives from his professional acumen.

[chedder]

Lindholm is the type of player you keep. He's been close to point per game for the past 5 seasons. Plays both ends of the ice and is only just turned 28. Perfect Backlund replacement in a few years (almost 6 years younger).

As above, it'll be interesting to see if he even wants to re-sign with the Flames.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

You guys are nuts. What could possibly lure Lindy to miss out on lucrative free agency?

He’ll say all the right things until its too late and then take the best offer. And there will be many to choose from.

Calgary means nothing to him any hint that it does derives from his professional acumen.

You know him?

[DeluxeMoustache]

It’s weird. Perhaps some people are scarred by Americans who return to their side of the border, one who never intended to stay, the other likely family reasons, also after the pandemic, which had material impact.

I don’t see the same general trend with Swedish nationals. Backs is a lifer, there are plenty of fellow Swedes in the org, why would Lindy be eying the exit.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You know him?

If I was Lindholm I would look at free agency for sure. No question.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If I was Lindholm I would look at free agency for sure. No question.

Aside from Johnny Gaudreau, most guys have a pretty good idea what’s out there for them before they get to UFA.

[Yeah_Baby]

If I'm Lindholm I'm looking hard at where the team is as I head into free agency before I decide to test the market or not. If next year is another season like this, I'd probably see what's out there.

[Saqe]

One major question is what Lindholm will want if he stays. He just saw Huberdeau get 10.5 million without playing a game for the Flames and he himself has been underpaid big time for years. He could easily demand the same.

[The Fisher Account]

There are two types of guys at Lindy's age:

1) The type of guy who realizes he is on (perhaps) his last contract and wants to win a Cup
2) The guy who realizes that it's incredibly hard to pick a winner with 32 teams in the league, and figures its time to hit the biggest pay day he can get

Which one is Lindy?

[Toonage]

We spent years wondering if Gaudreau or Tkachuk would stay. I think its more than fair to wonder if he'd want to as well.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

We spent years wondering if Gaudreau or Tkachuk would stay. I think its more than fair to wonder if he'd want to as well.

This is no different than the vast majority of players in the league at some point in their careers.

[Toonage]

Exactly. Which is why when someone outright says he expects the player to go for the money, I don't have a problem with that and don't need to question if he's in that players head.