Tank for Bedard

[bax]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

So who are the guys from pick 1-5 that make up the 2.3% that aren't NHLers? Yakupov for one. Grigorenko?

Grigorenko was a middle of the first round pick I think.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

So who are the guys from pick 1-5 that make up the 2.3% that aren't NHLers? Yakupov for one. Grigorenko?

Yak at least played 350 games. Juolevi's only played 41 games. Reinhart, 37. Cam Barker 310 (where all the others are at 1000 except Malkin), Zherdev, Svitov, Chistov. Dal Colle is pretty close.

[CSharp]

The only time when deliberate or unintentional tanking don't work is for teams like the Oilers or the Sabres. How many generational players drafted that went on to be a bust - ZERO percent! It's all about team and asset management and those two teams sucked at it for a couple of decades. Yeah, there's some luck involved but that luck also comes from getting the team in place and doing something about things to get the luck that's needed. It's almost like saying "I don't want to play the lottery for $70M because I don't have any luck." Well, the odds against not trying and winning is 0%. Odds of a team picking top 2 if that team is rated last in the league for 2022-2023 is 100%! Pick in the top 5 is almost guaranteed for the 3 lowest point teams. So, what's to lose besides looking bad for at least one season. Better than looking mediocre for another 15-20 years, especially if the team win a cup or two in that timespan! Time for positive change through a really bad season, especially when generational player(s) are involved.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yak at least played 350 games. Juolevi's only played 41 games. Reinhart, 37. Cam Barker 310 (where all the others are at 1000 except Malkin), Zherdev, Svitov, Chistov. Dal Colle is pretty close.

Juolevi wouldn't count. That list is from 2005-2013 and he was 2016.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Robbob

That Bennett draft was a bad draft. For a rebuild, the timing being bad with the right draft is a huge part of it.

It was only bad because we got that player instead of the one that went ahead of him. There was so much talk that the Flames were going after Draisaitl. There were some really good players drafted in that year. If the Flames only suffered more during the 2014 and 2015 rebuild years, they could've had Drai and McDavid or Eichel.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Jore

Posting Byron Bader's analysis of draft position and outcomes for no reason.

Still can't decide whether going for a top 5 pick or filling out the rosters with 30 year olds, 'competing,' and drafting 15th overall is more of a 'crapshoot' for building a contending team...

I'd like to see if these percentages changed after 2013. I feel like scouting and analysis are much further ahead these days, plus the Flames and Oilers probably single handedly dragged down the average success rate in the years between the lockouts.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CSharp

It was only bad because we got that player instead of the one that went ahead of him. There was so much talk that the Flames were going after Draisaitl. There were some really good players drafted in that year. If the Flames only suffered more during the 2014 and 2015 rebuild years, they could've had Drai and McDavid or Eichel.

There was also talk that the Flames considered Nick Ritchie and Jake Virtanen at 4th overall.

I'm glad they picked Bennett, but what a terrible, terrible, refrigerator filled draft that was for the Flames.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

in my opinion accumulating as many picks as possible from anywhere in the draft gives you a better chance at a successful rebuild than hoping for that top 3 OA jackpot. of course, having both is the best scenario but if we're not gonna be Arizona/Chicago level bad, then I want like 14 spins of the draft wheel next summer.

Exactly. A lot of luck is involved, which is why the Flames should be proactive and load up. Cash in on the abundance of assets now and convert them to futures. Then you significantly increase your odds of finding quality players. You also have better currency to make trades. And then your core comes up together. A core that hopefully has a lot of cost savings in it. Once you have a strong core and cap space, you should have a much easier time supplementing the roster with free agents as well. This not only gives you the greatest odds, but it also allows you to improve in multiple ways.

Right now, the Flames can only improve by free agents and their own late picks. Neither of these are very likely to make a significant difference over the next few years. This will keep them afloat until guys like Lindholm or Hanifin decide to bolt and the team is forced to rebuild and in a much weaker position.

[DoubleK]

This thread needs closing

[FlamesAreOne]

I revoke my bump. Lock this up.

[Flamesfan05]

Good bye Bedard

[CSharp]

LOL, this was actually a good thread until the MT- Huberdeau blockbuster trade! Still got some big holes to fill. Just hope it's not just another mediocre season just to get into the playoffs when so much more is at stake at the 2023 entry draft.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Tre says:

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Good bye Bedard

If Huberdeau doesn’t sign is it still on?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If Huberdeau doesn’t sign is it still on?

If he is on the Flames this year, they probably won’t get Bedard

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If Huberdeau doesn’t sign is it still on?

Remember 2014-15 how we made the playoffs and said McDavid who and then 2015-16 we crashed back down to earth in the wrong year?

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If he is on the Flames this year, they probably won’t get Bedard

The only scenario (which is a super longshot) that Die Hard for Bedard is back on is, if Tre finds out early on (before deadline) there is no chance of resigning and Habs offer up their 2023 1st. (again, next to zero chance, but sprung to mind)

[Goriders]

Not sure how long you guys have been watching the Flames. But they are never going to tank or do a full rebuild. Ever.

[bigrangy]

It’s time

Pull the chute

[flames_fan_down_under]

Did we not trade away our first? I can’t keep track of the firsts that we have traded.