[News] Monahan on LTIR with season ending surgery. Kylington day to day. Mackey called up

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Who would take him on at any cost until he proves himself healthy and productive?

Unless he is moves with a first round pick to some team who plans to buy him out. Which I guess is what you were alluding to.

So throw the Coyotes Connor Zary to take Monahan. They need to get to the cap floor anyhow.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So throw the Coyotes Connor Zary to take Monahan. They need to get to the cap floor anyhow.

Ugh. Zary has been looking real good lately. I'm almost for moving Monahan in the offseason but I'd be looking at giving up a lesser package of prospects.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So throw the Coyotes Connor Zary to take Monahan. They need to get to the cap floor anyhow.

Just because they need to get to the cap floor doesn’t mean they will simply take an injured player with a big cap hit. There will be many players teams want to move for cap reasons. To the extent Arizona takes anyone for that reason, it will be to the team who pays them the most to do so.

It’s not like Monny will be the only guy in this situation.

[Bonded]

I could still see a GM taking a gamble on Monahan. Get him for nothing and if he even reverts to 50% of his previous play then he will return assets at the deadline. If you are going to pay to dump a player it might as well be Lucic.

[Robbob]

I think if they want to move the Monahan contract you buy him out. All you need to do is get an arb case so you can buy him out in Aug (Tkacuk, Mangipane and Klyington are eligible but not sure if those are the players you want to go through that process with). That should be the right amount of time to recover from the hip surgery (I think it is 4 months) which brings us to the end of July early August. Buyout saves 4M next season and costs the Flames 2M the following season.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I could still see a GM taking a gamble on Monahan. Get him for nothing and if he even reverts to 50% of his previous play then he will return assets at the deadline. If you are going to pay to dump a player it might as well be Lucic.

I think GM’s saw what Monny was capable of this year recovering from an injury.

Likely better ways to Spend $6+MM.

Assuming Lucic will waive, which is a big assumption, he’s a better bet to trade as he’ll only have a million in real cash owing to him.

[Hack&Lube]

Mangiapane should be traded in the summer. We need the cash to sign our first line and his goal scoring has been streaky and mostly in the first part of the season. He currently has 1 goal in his last 15 games. To me, this is the type of scoring that can dry up easily after you sign a big contract.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So throw the Coyotes Connor Zary to take Monahan. They need to get to the cap floor anyhow.

Would rather buy him out than throw away Zary

Anyway, it won't take that much to move Monahan

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Mangiapane should be traded in the summer. We need the cash to sign our first line and his goal scoring has been streaky and mostly in the first part of the season. He currently has 1 goal in his last 15 games. To me, this is the type of scoring that can dry up easily after you sign a big contract.

What madness is this.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Shazam

What madness is this.

I don't think it's madness. I think Mangiapane is your average 20-goal scorer who will be looking to get paid for an abnormal career year. He had an unreal stretch earlier in the season where every puck he touched went into the net, but he's regressed back to his normal level of production. I'd rather the Flames sell high than overpay to keep him

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Shazam

What madness is this.

His agent played hardball before and he will be looking for a big payday. We can't afford another $5M contract.

He is the most expendable that also has high trade value so in a tough cap situation, I think we don't have much other choice if we want to keep the top line together.

His goals have dried up in the last 15 games but I'll reserve judgement until after seeing playoffs performance. From the outside, this year looks more like a streaky aberration than something that is sustainable for a longer expensive contract that he would demand.

The priority should be keeping the pieces together that are greater than the sum of their parts - IE: the chemistry of the first line and chemistry of some of our D pairings. Mangiapane is an outlier.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by meh

Trade him. He’ll fetch a decent return. The window is slowly closing.

[Caboose]

Toffoli actually could be a decent comparable for Mangiapane. He signed a 3yr $4.6M deal in 2017 after he had scored 31 goals with the Kings, and then the current contract for $4.25M with MTL after a couple of down years.

Mangiapane is clearly a good, but streaky goal scorer and likely will have a couple of those down years himself. He also still doesn't have a huge sample of work, which the Flames can use to their advantage.

Knowing Treliving and his signing abilities, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames manage to lock Mangiapane for something like 3 x $4.5M with Toffoli as an example. Every time Treliving signs an RFA I'm like "how tf did he manage that number?"

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[Strange Brew]

Toffoli is Mangiapane's replacement.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Toffoli is Mangiapane's replacement.

I refuse to give up the loaf!

I'm glad he slowed down. Will make him more affordable.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I refuse to give up the loaf!

I'm glad he slowed down. Will make him more affordable.

not after his 12 playoff goals

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Would rather buy him out than throw away Zary

Anyway, it won't take that much to move Monahan

You honestly think that Zary has that much value around the league? He's possibly still hanging on to that B- prospect pool in some eyes, but my guess is he's viewed firmly in the C+ category, which most teams have many of themselves. It's not much of a throw in to eat a large salary for a year IMHO.

If including Zary meant a team would fully absorb Monahan's deal next year, and avoid another costly buyout for the Flames, I would do it in a heartbeat as that 6M+ hit being totally off the books (along with Brower's buyout and modest cap increase) basically guarantees you can afford raises for Mangiapane, Gaudreau and Tkachuk and keep the window open a little longer.

Plus, when you have guys like Coronato, Pelletier, Ruzicka, Mackey, Valimaki and Wolf coming along nicely, a mediocre prospect like Zary is pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

You honestly think that Zary has that much value around the league? He's possibly still hanging on to that B- prospect pool in some eyes, but my guess is he's viewed firmly in the C+ category, which most teams have many of themselves. It's not much of a throw in to eat a large salary for a year IMHO.

If including Zary meant a team would fully absorb Monahan's deal next year, and avoid another costly buyout for the Flames, I would do it in a heartbeat as that 6M+ hit being totally off the books (along with Brower's buyout) basically guarantees you can afford raises for Mangiapane, Gaudreau and Tkachuk and keep the window open a little longer.

Plus, when you have guys like Coronato, Pelletier, Ruzicka, Mackey, Valimaki and Wolf coming along nicely, a mediocre prospect like Zary is pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

I haven't been paying attention. Has Zary really dropped off that much?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I haven't been paying attention. Has Zary really dropped off that much?

I wouldn't say he's been terrible or anything. He was hurt in training camp and had a slow recovery to start the year.

All things considered, a down year is probably to be expected to some extent after that, but to fall off offensively and never really get back on track on such a good Heat team is definitely a red flag for his NHL ceiling.

It's not everything, but for me, the true top end prospects always find a way to get their production back on track at some point, and I'm still not really seeing it with only 14 points in his last 25 games when by all accounts he is fully healthy.

[dino7c]

It all comes down to the money Mangiapane wants