The Book of Boba Fett [Spoilers]

[Yamer]

I'm jealous. You folks that know the lore are getting way more from this series than me.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I'm jealous. You folks that know the lore are getting way more from this series than me.

You too must learn the ways and the lore if you're to enjoy (as much as us) the next series.

[direwolf]

I'm enjoying the series quite a bit, and I've never read any of the books or watched any of the animated series.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I'm jealous. You folks that know the lore are getting way more from this series than me.

Yes and no, knowing the Lore probably absolutely destroyed the Sequel for me.

I mean bringing back Palpatine and having a Cult of thousands was really anti-lore as well as the whole kill me so I can occupy your body thing. The Sith's biggest fear is of Death, its the ultimate loss of power.

I mean in the Bane Trilogy, Bane who was probably second to Sidious in power tried the idea of Essence transfer to steal his apprentices body so he could extend his life and he failed and his spirit was either destroyed or he ended up in a void of madness..

The funny thing is that the Prequels for all of their faults did a great job with established Lore and creating logical lore like the rule of two, Darth Bane, Darth Plageius and the lineage of Sith.

It made a huge mistake though, Palpatine talked about a republic that had endured a thousand years. But the Republic in Lore was 25,000 years old.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yes and no, knowing the Lore probably absolutely destroyed the Sequel for me.

I don't think you need to know the lore for Ep9 to be destroyed for you. I honestly thought when the hired better actors and got rid of all the campiness of the prequels it would be impossible to make a worse movie, but then they went and made the Rise of Skywalker and they proved me wrong, that is an unwatchable piece of swill.

I think maybe knowing the lore ruined Ep8 for you, because in isolation that was a beautiful and interesting movie. When taken in response to ESB, RoTJ and TFA it opened interesting new doors where we could have an original ending to that trilogy, it was so much more than we should have hoped for out of Star Wars. But obviously something in the lore foretold that was not to be, and in the end it was true, it was a bunch of build up just to slam us down on our faces.

In terms of the Book of Boba Who? I'm only half way through clone wars, I haven't seen all of these characters before, but can kind of tell when they are pulling them out of a different series just by the weight they give to the introduction, and it hasn't bothered me at all, I actually really love when the show knows more about a characters backstory that I do, it gives a wonderful layer of depth and texture to the story, and I can always hop on wookieepedia if I care that much.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by #-3

I don't think you need to know the lore for Ep9 to be destroyed for you. I honestly thought when the hired better actors and got rid of all the campiness of the prequels it would be impossible to make a worse movie, but then they went and made the Rise of Skywalker and they proved me wrong, that is an unwatchable piece of swill.

I think maybe knowing the lore ruined Ep8 for you, because in isolation that was a beautiful and interesting movie. When taken in response to ESB, RoTJ and TFA it opened interesting new doors where we could have an original ending to that trilogy, it was so much more than we should have hoped for out of Star Wars. But obviously something in the lore foretold that was not to be, and in the end it was true, it was a bunch of build up just to slam us down on our faces.

In terms of the Book of Boba Who? I'm only half way through clone wars, I haven't seen all of these characters before, but can kind of tell when they are pulling them out of a different series just by the weight they give to the introduction, and it hasn't bothered me at all, I actually really love when the show knows more about a characters backstory that I do, it gives a wonderful layer of depth and texture to the story, and I can always hop on wookieepedia if I care that much.

No. Just no.

New doors? What if there is no dark/light side...just shades of grey....Not interesting or original in any way. That was literally the plot of the prequels, except the prequels had points where there was good writing, and did not need to slam you over the points they were making.

There was nothing new or original about Ep 8. Ep 8 had no real content other than to destroy content that was already created. What was new there? The kid with the broom? The Casino? Rose?

Are we really taking the Rose character as "beautiful" and "interesting"?

[Inglewood Jack]

pretty sure Beautiful and Interesting refers to DJ, aka Don't Join. it doesn't get much more clever than that.

[CroFlames]

When Luke was running around with baby Yoda on his back I literally yelled out "do a front flip" and he did it as soon as I said that.

And I can die a happy man now. I have achieved total happiness.

[CaptainCrunch]

I was hoping to see Grogu running around with Luke in a backpack on his back.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by #-3

I don't think you need to know the lore for Ep9 to be destroyed for you. I honestly thought when the hired better actors and got rid of all the campiness of the prequels it would be impossible to make a worse movie, but then they went and made the Rise of Skywalker and they proved me wrong, that is an unwatchable piece of swill.

I think maybe knowing the lore ruined Ep8 for you, because in isolation that was a beautiful and interesting movie. When taken in response to ESB, RoTJ and TFA it opened interesting new doors where we could have an original ending to that trilogy, it was so much more than we should have hoped for out of Star Wars. But obviously something in the lore foretold that was not to be, and in the end it was true, it was a bunch of build up just to slam us down on our faces.

In terms of the Book of Boba Who? I'm only half way through clone wars, I haven't seen all of these characters before, but can kind of tell when they are pulling them out of a different series just by the weight they give to the introduction, and it hasn't bothered me at all, I actually really love when the show knows more about a characters backstory that I do, it gives a wonderful layer of depth and texture to the story, and I can always hop on wookieepedia if I care that much.

I don't know, the problem with 8 was that it made me think that Rian was in no way a good director or Story teller.

It was ham fisted. They ruined a lot of characters in it, for example Hux went from a competent and power hungry leader to a buffoon who fell for knock knock jokes.

They killed off Snoke, which was just pointlessly stupid. Rian dumped off the rey parents storyline, making JJ being even more hamfisted in getting them back in the next movie.

I liked the idea of a disenfranchised Luke, I thought it was an interesting idea to explore.

The Force Awakens was a nice retelling of a new hope, it had some interesting characters and ideas. But episode 8 was just a train wreck of destruction, that literally forced TROS to spend most of its capital in a fans service apology in bringing back Palpatine, and JJ spending half of the movie basically saying, Episode 8 never happened.

I would bet that when they were sitting around talking about the st pre shooting TFA, that Palpatine's name never ever came up. There was no reason to bring him back especially with Kylo's message of let the past die, the Sith the Jedi all of it.

In the end we got an overpowered Jedi, we got the whooo guy in Finn who became a flat character. Poe spent a lot of time being unlikeable and then 2 dimensional in the third one. Kylo Ren was a pouty emo teenager who in the third movie took a uncontrolled flight away from his character.

The sad thing though is when you see interviews with the main cast members. Daisy, Oscar etc, they all look like they want nothing to do with the Star Wars universe. I mean John Boyego pretty much smirks when the trilogy gets mentioned and then says he's done with it all.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't know, the problem with 8 was that it made me think that Rian was in no way a good director or Story teller.

It was ham fisted. They ruined a lot of characters in it, for example Hux went from a competent and power hungry leader to a buffoon who fell for knock knock jokes.

They killed off Snoke, which was just pointlessly stupid. Rian dumped off the rey parents storyline, making JJ being even more hamfisted in getting them back in the next movie.

I liked the idea of a disenfranchised Luke, I thought it was an interesting idea to explore.

The Force Awakens was a nice retelling of a new hope, it had some interesting characters and ideas. But episode 8 was just a train wreck of destruction, that literally forced TROS to spend most of its capital in a fans service apology in bringing back Palpatine, and JJ spending half of the movie basically saying, Episode 8 never happened.

I would bet that when they were sitting around talking about the st pre shooting TFA, that Palpatine's name never ever came up. There was no reason to bring him back especially with Kylo's message of let the past die, the Sith the Jedi all of it.

In the end we got an overpowered Jedi, we got the whooo guy in Finn who became a flat character. Poe spent a lot of time being unlikeable and then 2 dimensional in the third one. Kylo Ren was a pouty emo teenager who in the third movie took a uncontrolled flight away from his character.

The sad thing though is when you see interviews with the main cast members. Daisy, Oscar etc, they all look like they want nothing to do with the Star Wars universe. I mean John Boyego pretty much smirks when the trilogy gets mentioned and then says he's done with it all.

I'd bet my house on it.

Throw in the largest fleet of star destroyers ever manufactured for good measure.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Poe spent a lot of time being unlikeable and then 2 dimensional in the third one.

sorry Cap I'm gonna argue this one till the banthas come home. Admiral Purple Hair Cocktail Dress waltzes in and nobody seems to know much about her...she tells respected war hero Poe to sit down, shut his trap and watch as all their support ships get blown to kingdom come one by one. I understand at least initially there might be reasons to keep the escape plan secret, but she's so terrible at reading the room that not only Poe but a whole bunch of officers got desperate enough to take matters into their own hands.

like who would you rather have as a leader, someone who inspires confidence in the troops and shows that they have everything under control, or someone who says this as the last of your fellow soldiers is dying screaming:

"hope is like the sun. If you only believe in it when you can see it, you'll never make it through the night..."

thanks jerk I feel so much more confident that we're going to win this turtle chase through the galaxy, and that you're definitely not some First Order mole sent to finish us off.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

sorry Cap I'm gonna argue this one till the banthas come home. Admiral Purple Hair Cocktail Dress waltzes in and nobody seems to know much about her...she tells respected war hero Poe to sit down, shut his trap and watch as all their support ships get blown to kingdom come one by one. I understand at least initially there might be reasons to keep the escape plan secret, but she's so terrible at reading the room that not only Poe but a whole bunch of officers got desperate enough to take matters into their own hands.

like who would you rather have as a leader, someone who inspires confidence in the troops and shows that they have everything under control, or someone who says this as the last of your fellow soldiers is dying screaming:

"hope is like the sun. If you only believe in it when you can see it, you'll never make it through the night..."

thanks jerk I feel so much more confident that we're going to win this turtle chase through the galaxy, and that you're definitely not some First Order mole sent to finish us off.

I think that's your reading of it, which is more logical than what we actually got.

The intent was clearly to show that Poe was an arrogant man who didn't want to listen to his commanders, especially the female ones.

The writing was just lousy, which is why your interpretation makes sense, even though it was unintended. I mean, seriously, how long is Poe supposed to sit back and watch while ship after ship, full of people, get obliterated. The commander isn't telling anyone her plan...because? Is she worried that her subcommanders, who are all extremely experienced and battle worn vets, are going to spill the beans to Hux? She's literally killing off people like Akhbar and Leia and expects everyone else just to fly straight and wait their turn. Why don't all the other ships just go in different directions?

Even ignoring all the pre-established rules of the SW universe surrounding space flight, it makes not sense.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'd bet my house on it.

Throw in the largest fleet of star destroyers ever manufactured for good measure.

All with Death Star rays that could be taken out with a single shot. And couldn't navigate out of that area of space without an antennae thingy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

I think that's your reading of it, which is more logical than what we actually got.

The intent was clearly to show that Poe was an arrogant man who didn't want to listen to his commanders, especially the female ones.

The writing was just lousy, which is why your interpretation makes sense, even though it was unintended. I mean, seriously, how long is Poe supposed to sit back and watch while ship after ship, full of people, get obliterated. The commander isn't telling anyone her plan...because? Is she worried that her subcommanders, who are all extremely experienced and battle worn vets, are going to spill the beans to Hux? She's literally killing off people like Akhbar and Leia and expects everyone else just to fly straight and wait their turn. Why don't all the other ships just go in different directions?

Even ignoring all the pre-established rules of the SW universe surrounding space flight, it makes not sense.

Why would she share her plans with Poe anyways, that's an Admirals perogative. Besides, Poe basically lead of squadron or really slow, unshielded bombers to their death. (I know they were a salute to WW2 movies, but man, that was stupid. Even when one of the Bombers did drop its load it blewed itself up as well.), Its not a demacracy, and Poe once again didn't have the whole picture, and flies off the handle, and leads a coup. He might have been a heroic character in TFA, but for 90% of TLJ he was cringe worthy. Then he was pretty much a horny pirate in TROS.

Spoiler!

[Inglewood Jack]

Poe is the only reason the goddamn turtle chase even lasted as long as it did. if he didn't lead a pack of stupidly designed literal WW2 bombers to destroy the Fleet Killer Dreadnaught, then that thing would have been there when the Resistance dropped out of hyperspace, and used its giant gun to murder the flagship much quicker.

the only mistake Poe made was not taking out the super canons himself, since he went through all the trouble of single handedly disabling every one of the dreadnaught's regular turbolasers but was too lazy to fly underneath and finish the job.

[CaptainCrunch]

In Empire strikes back when the Rebel's left Hoth, they split in all different directions, and because of that, only one ship, with a faulty hyperdrive was pursued.


I mean, Leia was clearly a bad general as well. They figured that the hyperspace tracker was on one ship. They should have scattered the fleet. But nope they grouped them all in one group.


And honestly, that was another thing. Star Wars ships didn't burn fuel. Star Destroyers used hyper matter reactors that basically harnessed the power of a sun. Most ships didn't use conventional fuel.


It was just lazy plot device writing.

[GGG]

Episode 8 was a bad plot good lore movie.

The ideas of the war profitiers getting rich, Force users being every where, and Luke being flawed were all good, the Rey/Ren relationship and the Rey comes from nothing we’re all great choices

I don’t even mind killing Snoke to leave Ren or Rey or both as the Big Bad. But what the hell was the worlds slowest space chase and the casino planet.

You can even see how Luke training Grogu in the same flawed manner will lead to the Ren situation and Luke eventually quitting.

[Roof-Daddy]

My wife and I watched all three sequel movies one day during the holidays, and I enjoyed them more that way than I did when I watched them in the theaters.

They definitely screwed them up though. Could have been much, much better.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I'll be honest I didn't really enjoy the Luke portions of the show. I found them slow, like how many scene of Baby Yoda jumping around are needed.

I get it I'm not a Star Wars guy beyond watching them.

The scenes with the Marshall et all were very enjoyable

I have found this series relies heavily on slow and monotonous montages. It seems every episode has a big scene that takes way too long:

the Tusken Raider sword working
the grogu training
the naboo fighter building

i really just start to lose interest.