[News] Jack Eichel Surgery And Comeback Thread

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I just don't think a player would buy into that plan unless there was a legitimate chance the rehab could work. In which case most players will opt for rehab for sure.

I think you are naive at to the lengths athletes are willing to go to for the chance to win a championship.

[theinfinitejar]

If I'm Vegas I can think of a bunch of other forwards I'd rather go on LTIR to make this room. Like, all of them.

Very solid argument that they're not getting any better adding Eichel with Stone going out.

Red carpet just got rolled out for the top spot in the division for the Flames.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

If I'm Vegas I can think of a bunch of other forwards I'd rather go on LTIR to make this room. Like, all of them.

Very solid argument that they're not getting any better adding Eichel with Stone going out.

Red carpet just got rolled out for the top spot in the division for the Flames.

Except day 1 of playoffs they field a $90mil team.

[Coach]

Sounds like Vegas is very aware of a long term problem with Stone. Not a wonder they went hard for Eichel knowing Stone's salary was likely to find a way to LTIR in the near future anyways.

As someone with back issues stemming from a hockey injury, I can definitely sympathize how one seemingly innocent motion can cause something to click in a way that debilitates you. Like, forever. I'm guessing Vegas and Stone both knew he's been on borrowed time for a while.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Buff

It is crazy to suggest that a competitive player is going to sit out a long period of time because his team wants him to do so just for salary cap purposes. Stone is a competitor and a leader. He will want to be playing and competing and leading by example. The type of player who will sit out when they think they can play are not the player you win games with. You win games with Stone. The players who would rather sit at home and not play are likely to be extremely rare in the NHL.

He just happened to go on LTIR the day before Eichel was ready to go?

If he is back for game one of the playoffs its obvious they are using nagging injuries to game the system

If Stone gets a back surgery and is out until next year I will retract but I highly doubt it

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Buff

It is crazy to suggest that a competitive player is going to sit out a long period of time because his team wants him to do so just for salary cap purposes. Stone is a competitor and a leader. He will want to be playing and competing and leading by example. The type of player who will sit out when they think they can play are not the player you win games with. You win games with Stone. The players who would rather sit at home and not play are likely to be extremely rare in the NHL.

Its not that he’d rather sit at home and not play… of course he wants to play. It’s management asking a player to not play through any discomfort/injury for the good of the team. Especially if it means his teammates don’t end up getting traded. It’s asking a competitive leader (like Stone) to do what’s best for the team to give them the best chance at a cup. I could absolutely see players willing doing that.


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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

If I'm Vegas I can think of a bunch of other forwards I'd rather go on LTIR to make this room. Like, all of them.

Very solid argument that they're not getting any better adding Eichel with Stone going out.

Red carpet just got rolled out for the top spot in the division for the Flames.

2nd spot is probably a better playoff matchup if we are being honest

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

2nd spot is probably a better playoff matchup if we are being honest

True. Likely to face LA or Anaheim at this point for the team that finishes second in the division. The team that finishes first in the division could end up with St. Louis or Minnesota.


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[Buff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He just happened to go on LTIR the day before Eichel was ready to go?

If he is back for game one of the playoffs its obvious they are using nagging injuries to game the system

If Stone gets a back surgery and is out until next year I will retract but I highly doubt it

He has been missing quite a bit of games lately. He missed his team's last game. But go ahead and believe that he isn't injured. Quite the rouse to start sitting your top player for a few games here and there 2 months before you put him on LTIR to make room for another player. But you go ahead and keep looking into things that just aren't there.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

I'd be surprised if Stone would agree to miss the rest of the season just to get Eichel in the line-up. And I don't think Vegas would want that as that's a lot of games to be without your best player.

I do think this is a constructed win-win. Gives Stone a month to get his back 100% and a bit more time for Vegas to figure their cap out. Martinez is coming back soon as well. I believe, and someone can correct me, but with him coming back now they'll have to clear the equivalent of Stone's salary before bringing him back in.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Buff

He has been missing quite a bit of games lately. He missed his team's last game. But go ahead and believe that he isn't injured. Quite the rouse to start sitting your top player for a few games here and there 2 months before you put him on LTIR to make room for another player. But you go ahead and keep looking into things that just aren't there.

I literally said he has nagging injuries

If he misses the rest of the season and shows up for game one they are obviously gaming the system but you guys will come here and say oh its just the timeline for these types of things derp.

[Coach]

I suspect if the Flames had Eichel and were reasonably able to put Monahan on LTIR to accommodate until playoffs a lot of us would be collectively shrugging in silence if not commending our management team for finding a way to make it happen. Long term NHL implications be damned.

Originally Posted by dino7c

I literally said he has nagging injuries

If he misses the rest of the season and shows up for game one they are obviously gaming the system but you guys will come here and say oh its just the timeline for these types of things derp.

What is to be said about injuries that can be possibly played through but reasonably sat out for? Thats the kind of grey area we're always dealing with here. We've all heard the type of injuries players will push through in the playoffs that we would never expect of them in the regular season. So whats the line on that?

[GioforPM]

I don’t see a solution on the medical side - too many opinions, and no docs are gong to rule out a rehab 100%.

I see the solution around extending cap rules for the POs in some fashion. The on ice roster must be compliant or something like that.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Buff

He has been missing quite a bit of games lately. He missed his team's last game. But go ahead and believe that he isn't injured. Quite the rouse to start sitting your top player for a few games here and there 2 months before you put him on LTIR to make room for another player. But you go ahead and keep looking into things that just aren't there.

it's not that he doesn't have a nagging injury, it's that they will put him on the LTIR and he will magically come off when the cap is no longer an issue.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think he's signed his last big contract, he's not chasing any career stats and his only goal left is likely to win the cup. Take a few months off to rest a nagging injury? Come back with a $90mil team in an $80mil league for playoffs? Sounds good.

With all the crazy stuff players do to win I'm surprised people think a player wouldn't do this.

Mark Stone is crazy competitive and loves playing
He ain't gonna sit if he doesn't have to.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mark Stone is crazy competitive and loves playing
He ain't gonna sit if he doesn't have to.

Maybe he is so competitive he's willing to do anything it takes to win the cup. Maybe even extend his stay on LTIR until the first game of the playoffs.

[PaperBagger'14]

I saw this on reddit, but here's Mark Stone 5 minutes after the regular season ends

Spoiler!

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by dino7c

2nd spot is probably a better playoff matchup if we are being honest

Maybe but if we have to go through Vegas you want home ice in that series.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I saw this on reddit, but here's Mark Stone 5 minutes after the regular season ends

Spoiler!

Post 247 (still funny seeing it twice).

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mark Stone is crazy competitive and loves playing
He ain't gonna sit if he doesn't have to.

Even if he's being cautious with his health so as to give his back time to recover for the playoffs - that's smart for him, that's smart for the team.

If Monahan/Tanev or anyone has a nagging issue at the trade deadline, I'd expect/hope the Flames to take a similar approach.

Give your team the best chance to ice the best team for a playoff run, and give yourself (the player) the best chance to be healthy playoff run.

It's not cheating, and is clearly an established norm at this stage.

Well all collectively questioned/crapped on the team when we heard about how hard Monahan/Tanev pushed through injuries...well, this is part of not doing that.