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TheChief · 10-31-2021, 03:54 PM

Lindholm is a joke, whoever suggested it is mad. Vegas/Anaheim have no player of that ilk. Buffalo is getting desperate. This trade is a futures trade for Buffalo I believe. If I was a betting man the hangup is the conditions on Eichel that each team wants in the deal and that is it. Conditions on the picks, conditions on his health...

Roof-Daddy · 10-31-2021, 03:56 PM

Lindholm?

LOL

Buffalo adds to an injured Eichel if they want Lindholm. Key point here is that Eichel is INJURED.

LiquidX · 10-31-2021, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Key point here is that Eichel is INJURED.

I think that's something big that's really being missed in all the hype.
edit: at least I haven't seen anyone really mention it. A lot of talk of the potential recovery scenarios for Eichel, but what about the team that was gutted and is waiting for him to recover?

Eichel isn't helping any team for the majority of the season. Anything you move off your roster is going to create a hole. Likely a pretty big one, until Eichel is healthy.

I don't know what the recovery time is for his procedure, but how does 1/2 a season without a second line sound to those who want to pull the trigger? What prospects that we have left are going to be able to come in and play 2nd line minutes? - hell even 3rd line minutes would be a challenge for most of our pool - that's why they're not on the squad.

Potentially throwing a season away for future promise, when the assembled team already has not had the desired success under your tenure as GM also does not sound like a strong career move.

I don't think the team, nor the GM are in any position to entertain a trade for a guy who is going to miss a large portion, if not the entire, season.

stemit14 · 10-31-2021, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidX

I think that's something big that's really being missed in all the hype.
edit: at least I haven't seen anyone really mention it. A lot of talk of the potential recovery scenarios for Eichel, but what about the team that was gutted and is waiting for him to recover?

Eichel isn't helping any team for the majority of the season. Anything you move off your roster is going to create a hole. Likely a pretty big one, until Eichel is healthy.

I don't know what the recovery time is for his procedure, but how does 1/2 a season without a second line sound to those who want to pull the trigger? What prospects that we have left are going to be able to come in and play 2nd line minutes? - hell even 3rd line minutes would be a challenge for most of our pool - that's why they're not on the squad.

Potentially throwing a season away for future promise, when the assembled team already has not had the desired success under your tenure as GM also does not sound like a strong career move.

I don't think the team, nor the GM are in any position to entertain a trade for a guy who is going to miss a large portion, if not the entire, season.

This is a big concern. I think this is why most people are hoping the flames only include monahan + zadorov from the roster to make the cap work. Even giving up Monahan is a big piece. I know he’s playing further down the line up but he’s getting better every game so he has the potential to be back to full Moneyhands in a week or two. Not having that for the season could be tough. I guess you have to give something up to get something like Eichel - even an injured eichel.

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FlamesAddiction · 10-31-2021, 04:40 PM

^^ Exactly this. Getting Eichel right now means hobbling the team this season. I am so surprised that so many people want this to happen. It’s even worse when you consider we would also be giving up futures.

MrMike · 10-31-2021, 04:42 PM

I think I’m at the point where I’m okay either way. The way this team is set up of course I’d love a top line superstar center, but also happy filling our team out the next couple years with Pelletier/Coronato/Zary. Would have been nice to be able to grab a by low guy like Tarasenko in the off season, or maybe chase after a powerplay quarterback using a fraction of those assets.

Either way, if it’s the Knights that get him, I hope Tre makes his price so ridiculous that Vegas takes years to recover with having no assets left.

tkflames · 10-31-2021, 04:51 PM

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^^ Exactly this. Getting Eichel right now means hobbling the team this season. I am so surprised that so many people want this to happen. It’s even worse when you consider we would also be giving up futures.

If you are going to make a difficult trade...deal from a position of strength.

Some see this as a strong start with the fundamentals the same as they were this summer...which is a team half way between a rebuild and a contender.

Others see this as an underachieving team that had finally found the coach that will bring out the best in them with the window wide open.

Depending on where you sit on this scale makes you think the other side is crazy. For me...I think both are true. If we want to win the Cup...we need to either blow it up or go all in. However, since there are 32 teams in the league and statistically you make the finals once very 16 years...enjoy the ride when you have a winning team. It doesn't happen neatly enough for this franchise.

topfiverecords · 10-31-2021, 05:09 PM

Wish I had a Sabres jersey. Would be fun to dress up as Eichel for trick or treating.

TOfan · 10-31-2021, 05:28 PM

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No, there is nothing factual about a rumor until we get confirmation the discussions actually took place. We don't now what is being discussed or if any discussions have gone down. It's all hearsay. That's kind of the point. Some media types suggested the Flames are hips deep in this Eichel thing, when they may or may not. An ex-player suggested the Blues were interested in Tkachuk and the package he heard was the one listed. That was picked up by media types too. Both are rumors and remain unverified. We won't know until a deal goes down and someone is able to confirm if there was something on the table from the Flames, or what was on the table from the Flames. That is the whole thing about rumors. They are all innuendo and not based on facts.

Let me rephrase the question, was this a rumour that came from someone who has a track record of breaking this sort of information (Friedman, LeBrun, CJ)? If so, I did not hear it. Maybe Andy Strickland had something? Serevalli?….it’s one thing if it comes from someone close to the team, or recognized on the national scale as being able to access this information, it’s another if it’s someone dreaming up scenarios on CP.

What I did hear though is Shane O’Brien saying he heard Matt Tkachuk wants to play in the US, preferably St.Louis. That’s it. He then followed that up speculating the the trade could be Tkachuk-Tarasenko, but the Blues would probably have to add.

Personally, I don’t read too much into this. It’s not all that different from JG’s interview with some Philadelphia sports show years ago and they asked him if he would want to play for the Flyers and his response was something along the lines of ‘yeah, sure’. I’m sure JG would like to okk look at for the Flyers as well as a few other teams, including the Flames.

GioforPM · 10-31-2021, 05:32 PM

I think most Eichel trade advocates are well aware this season could be a write off if he’s acquired, due to the cost. But they are willing to do it to obtain an elite 1C which is hard to get any other way absent a very high draft pick. If Eichel only had one more year on his contact there would be little interest from the Flames.

That said, depending on the price, the season could also be salvaged. Losing, say, Monahan and Valimaki could be absorbed.

FanIn80 · 10-31-2021, 06:08 PM

We're gonna wind up with a busted Eichel, and literally no assets. I'm telling you guys, that's how things work out for the Flames. Also, even if he's healthy and back at 100%, are we really gonna pay him $15M in four years? I'd rather have 6 $6m top six forwards than 1 $15m and 5 $3.5m.

I mean look at the picks we'll have to give up in a addition to gutting our roster and system. We could literally be last season's Buffalo by the time he's up for renewal, and then what? He's not gonna want to sign here, he's gonna want to go somewhere competitive.

Is he shiny? Yes, but let's not go blind from staring at him and lose sight of the big picture.

Locke · 10-31-2021, 06:11 PM

Does Eichel have a less-talented brother?

Asking for a friend...

FanIn80 · 10-31-2021, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Does Eichel have a less-talented brother?

Asking for a friend...

There we go, let's just get a Rob Eichel for a third round pick.

Snuffleupagus · 10-31-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

We're gonna wind up with a busted Eichel, and literally no assets. I'm telling you guys, that's how things work out for the Flames. Also, even if he's healthy and back at 100%, are we really gonna pay him $15M in four years? I'd rather have 6 $6m top six forwards than 1 $15m and 5 $3.5m.

I mean look at the picks we'll have to give up in a addition to gutting our roster and system. We could literally be last season's Buffalo by the time he's up for renewal, and then what? He's not gonna want to sign here, he's gonna want to go somewhere competitive.

Is he shiny? Yes, but let's not go blind from staring at him and lose sight of the big picture.

If he plays good enough to be paid $15M in four years it probably means he was worth it.

automaton 3 · 10-31-2021, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Does Eichel have a less-talented brother?

Asking for a friend...

This is the way

GranteedEV · 10-31-2021, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Does Eichel have a less-talented brother?

Asking for a friend...

Eich & Mike

mile · 10-31-2021, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Does Eichel have a less-talented brother?

Asking for a friend...

Jack Michaels, Oilers PBP announcer

GreenLantern2814 · 10-31-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Eich & Mike

Don’t forget about Mustard.

BigRed · 10-31-2021, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I'm big on the bring in Eichel train. But Lindholm, Coronato, Hanifin, and a 1st? That is just insane.

It is. In fact, if Tkachuk is the centrepiece, I wouldn’t add more than Zary/Pelletier + 2022 1st. And it works for both teams. Buffalo adds a star player and restocks its top end propect cupboard; and Calgary gives up a chunk of its future and a guy expected to be captain for an elite C who may or may not return to form.

The risk is a major intangible in any deal. Has to factor in.

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Heavy Jack · 10-31-2021, 06:37 PM

Lindholm and Hanafin being the roster player asks in that Twitter dudes tweet is laughable let alone adding a 1st and Coronato to that ‘deal’. It just speaks to how little about the flames the league and it’s fans seem to know or give credit for. Lindholm is a top Center on more than half the league’s teams and they want to add a top 2 D, top prospect and a first in a stacked draft?? For a top end player with a significant injury who’s still awaiting medical intervention?!?!?? Righhhhhhht. Honesty I hope Eichel files the grievance and I’m not shocked at all a team has yet to step up and meet the ask from Adams, it’s borderline crazy and he’s looking like a madman the longer this marches on.