Next morning, it's just sad. It also shows how underachieving the Flames are. Here is a team that arguably has 11 players better than Mark Giordano, and cannot make the playoffs? I'm not sure many other teams protected 11 better players than Calgary did. And that doesn't even include the already traded Bennett.
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Next morning, it's just sad. It also shows how underachieving the Flames are. Here is a team that arguably has 11 players better than Mark Giordano, and cannot make the playoffs? I'm not sure many other teams protected 11 better players than Calgary did. And that doesn't even include the already traded Bennett.
I think as time moves on we’ll be able to look back at these last 7 years as proof that coaching really does matter and just how damaging bad coaching can be.
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Next morning, it's just sad. It also shows how underachieving the Flames are. Here is a team that arguably has 11 players better than Mark Giordano, and cannot make the playoffs? I'm not sure many other teams protected 11 better players than Calgary did. And that doesn't even include the already traded Bennett.
It's not that there are 11 players who are better than Giordano. There aren't.
The decision on who to protect is basically based on value (trade value?).
Gio, because of his age and contract, was deemed to have less value moving forward.
Also, since only 3-5 defensemen can be protected, the defense are kind of in their own vacuum as separated from the forwards and goalies.
Next morning, it's just sad. It also shows how underachieving the Flames are. Here is a team that arguably has 11 players better than Mark Giordano, and cannot make the playoffs? I'm not sure many other teams protected 11 better players than Calgary did. And that doesn't even include the already traded Bennett.
I don’t think Giordano is the 12th best player on the team, he’s much higher than that. It was based on age and cap space.
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I think as time moves on we’ll be able to look back at these last 7 years as proof that coaching really does matter and just how damaging bad coaching can be.
You think they would have learned that in the Risebrough / Page years, Or in the Hay / Gilbert years.
I think the Flames are going to miss Gio in their line up a lot!
Besides everything else and being a great person he's a very good hockey player, won the Norris, Messier Leadership, NHL Allstar and NHL Foundation Player awards.
The Flames are worse today without him believe it or not.
That's the game though, players move on. Giordano will continue doing good things, who knows what's still left for him.
It's not that there are 11 players who are better than Giordano. There aren't.
The decision on who to protect is basically based on value (trade value?).
Gio, because of his age and contract, was deemed to have less value moving forward.
Also, since only 3-5 defensemen can be protected, the defense are kind of in their own vacuum as separated from the forwards and goalies.
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I don’t think Giordano is the 12th best player on the team, he’s much higher than that. It was based on age and cap space.
Perhaps not but my point still stands. How many teams protected 11 better players than Calgary?
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I think if you took away all the political doublespeak he uses "we were in the mix", "process", etc ,etc excuses from Treliving and just look at his body of work and the standings, I can't believe that anyone defends this clown.
We are bottom 10 in the league. Just not good enough. Tre's results speak for themselves, and I'm really surprised the owners stuck it out with him. Covid was good for Tre. I believe it saved his job this year due to the timing. I understand it would have been extremely difficult to have a new gm run the ship at this important date and time and the owners had no choice but to let the "process" continue.
Those defending him sure have a lot of patience with the man because I am fresh out.
Bottom line is, this team is not where it should be. His team. His moves. The responsibility is 100% on him.
We need to cultivate a culture of winning. Not our current culture of excuses when we come up short.
I hope CGY's young defencemen were given a good summer plan and they are executing. Sutter has already demanded more from them and Sutter hiring means win now.
It's all spilt milk now but when they finally decided to put the best roster on the ice:
13 - 28 - 19 first line
5 - 8 first pair
CGY played well (in games that still mattered - I think 10 games with roster change but only last 4 games were meaningless. So those 6 games showed that alignment made them competitive). Might be slightly off on number of games.
Even against top tier opponents that alignment held it's own and was able to play offense (play in the offensive zone) against top lines.
I think when they didn't do this - and had Gio away from Tanev, people thought Gio had lost a step and should've retired. Those people were as wrong as they've always been and always will be.
By end of season Gio was, by far, the best defenceman on the team and probably one of the best all round defencemen in the league.
BUT players move on all the time - so I hope the young guys are training hard and improving.
Gio is one in a million. For CGY he was a great player, a great leader (who dropped the gloves like Iggy) on the ice and an even better human being.
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Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but after seeing the players that Seattle ended up picking, it looks like if the flames exposed backlund instead of giordano, they would have picked someone like Kylington or Phillips instead. That is, if they were consistent with the kinds of selections that they did with most other teams. They rarely took any players that had contract that could turn into a bad contract in 2-3 years with the exception of maybe tanev.
Again, there was no way to know that so I still understand exposing giordano.
Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but after seeing the players that Seattle ended up picking, it looks like if the flames exposed backlund instead of giordano, they would have picked someone like Kylington or Phillips instead. That is, if they were consistent with the kinds of selections that they did with most other teams. They rarely took any players that had contract that could turn into a bad contract in 2-3 years with the exception of maybe tanev.
Again, there was no way to know that so I still understand exposing giordano.
It wasn't an either/or decision between exposing Backlund or Gio. The protection/exposure rules are position-based.
The only way they could have protected Gio and exposed Backlund would have been to go with the 8 total player protection rather than the 7 forward/3 defencemen protection. Doing that would have also seen Dube and Mangiapane exposed -- and probably losing Mangiapane.
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Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but after seeing the players that Seattle ended up picking, it looks like if the flames exposed backlund instead of giordano, they would have picked someone like Kylington or Phillips instead.
Treliving had a choice of protecting seven forwards, three defencemen and one goalie, or eight skaters total. Protecting Giordano would have meant leaving one of Hanifin, Andersson or Tanev exposed instead, or leaving three additional forwards unprotected. It was never going to be a choice between Giordano and Backlund, it would have been Backlund + two other forwards up for grabs. If they left (e.g.) Backlund, Dube and Mangiapane exposed do you still think they would have taken someone like Kylington or Phillips instead?
You think they would have learned that in the Risebrough / Page years, Or in the Hay / Gilbert years.
Nobody in the organization has been around that long. Even the people who fired those guys have been fired by other people who have since been fired (or died).
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