[News] Jake Virtanen on leave from the Canucks after sexual misconduct allegation

[JackIsBack]

Sorry I can't edit my post for some reason.... was suppose to read "I know I think differently after reviewing the case.."

[Goriders]

What if he’s actually innocent and she had an axe to grind. Or was after money?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What if he’s actually innocent and she had an axe to grind. Or was after money?

Well he can prove that in the civil suit as long as he does not settle.

[PeteMoss]

(Hopefully) - this is just a semantics debate here.

The one side is saying - we don't know he didn't do it.

The other side is saying - we don't know he did and he was found not-guilty in court.

If that is the case - I agree with both sides.

Anyone making a definitive statement on what happened in the hotel room is making assumptions.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm surprised they even took it trial. Seems like a bad decision by the crown to put her through a trial that has a slim chance of a conviction - although perhaps its what she wanted.

Acting like we know what happened in either direction is foolhardy.

Public perception forced this one. I wonder if it had been investigated from the get go if there would have been more to it.

Originally Posted by Goriders

What if he’s actually innocent and she had an axe to grind. Or was after money?

Are you high? You think someone would open themself up in this way for a relatively small amount of money? She's had to read take after take like yours that just spit in the face of people who are going through the aftermath of a sexual assault.

Is it possible? Yeah, sure. It's also possible you'll get struck by lightning. Sure as #### isn't likely.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What if he’s actually innocent and she had an axe to grind. Or was after money?

Get the hell out of here with logic. This here’s for yellin and assumptions

[Blaster86]

Where's the logic in opening yourself to relentless criticism from idiots online who will accuse you of making things up online for money to get, at most, not even enough money to buy a home in the lower mainland? What's more likely? She's making all this up for $400k or she had an incredibly awful experience and has spoken up about it? Remember it's believed of rape accusations that less than 5% are false.



You're stunted.

[Mr.Coffee]

Anyone else slightly alarmed that an actual lawyer is arguing that a Not Guilty verdict does not mean anything?

Now that's faith in the legal system this person is employed and engaged in.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Anyone else slightly alarmed that an actual lawyer is arguing that a Not Guilty verdict does not mean anything?

Now that's faith in the legal system this person is employed and engaged in.

It doesn't mean anything in regards to a civil trial. The burden of proof is much lower in a civil trial, so this not guilty verdict doesn't mean much in that regard.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Where's the logic in opening yourself to relentless criticism from idiots online who will accuse you of making things up online for money to get, at most, not even enough money to buy a home in the lower mainland?



You're stunted.

Well PuckSlap is the guy who knows women (plural) that have told entire groups of friends that they were raped just to get attention….according to him it happens more than you think. You know, on girls night when they just make up random stories about being raped over white wine.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Anyone else slightly alarmed that an actual lawyer is arguing that a Not Guilty verdict does not mean anything?

Now that's faith in the legal system this person is employed and engaged in.

Not guilty does not mean innocent. I am pretty sure that is what anybody with an LLB or a JD has argued in this thread.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well PuckSlap is the guy who knows women (plural) that have told entire groups of friends that they were raped just to get attention….according to him it happens more than you think. You know, on girls night when they just make up random stories about being raped over white wine.

Incel insanity.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Anyone else slightly alarmed that an actual lawyer is arguing that a Not Guilty verdict does not mean anything?

Now that's faith in the legal system this person is employed and engaged in.

It means something but the standard of proof is completely different( beyond a reasonable doubt and balance of probabilities).

OJ Simpson was found not guilty criminally but was liable civilly for wrongful death.

[Passe La Puck]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Anyone else slightly alarmed that an actual lawyer is arguing that a Not Guilty verdict does not mean anything?

Now that's faith in the legal system this person is employed and engaged in.

I don't think we should be alarmed that an actual lawyer is familiar with law and legal terminology, no.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Anyone else slightly alarmed that an actual lawyer is arguing that a Not Guilty verdict does not mean anything?

Speaking as another actual lawyer... no. This does not alarm me at all. The entire discussion about this verdict here is wasted effort.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Where's the logic in opening yourself to relentless criticism from idiots online who will accuse you of making things up online for money to get, at most, not even enough money to buy a home in the lower mainland? What's more likely? She's making all this up for $400k or she had an incredibly awful experience and has spoken up about it? Remember it's believed of rape accusations that less than 5% are false.



You're stunted.

How on earth can a stat like this be proven?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

How on earth can a stat like this be proven?

They get investigated by police and are found to be fraudulent.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m not delegitimizing anything. I’m stating how the system works in these kind of cases. It’s almost impossible to get a conviction in this kind of case.

He can sue her if she made a false report. Bet he won’t.

If she had $millions in the bank he might.

See how that works!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Is it?

What similarities do these two cases have, besides ending in Not Guilty verdicts?

What overwhelming physical evidence was ignored here? Because OJ’s blood and footprints were at the scene.

It’s an example of the two different standards of proof, which is what was being discussed. So, yes, it’s relevant.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

If she had $millions in the bank he might.

See how that works!

Nah, he still wouldn’t.