What would you give up for Eichel?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Sabres with Eichel in the lineup: 2.33 G/G
Sabres without Eichel in the lineup: 1.58 G/G

Hall with Eichel in the lineup: 0.62 P/G
Hall without Eichel in the lineup: 0.33 P/G

Reinhart with Eichel in the lineup: 0.84 P/G
Reinhart without Eichel in the lineup: 0.42 P/G

So there is evidence of Eichel boosting the production of his teammates.

Proof that you can spin stats into anything you want. Another way of looking at it, and looking at the guy's whole career.

Taylor Hall before Jack Eichel: .85 P/G
Taylor Hall with Jack Eichel: .69 P/G

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, some people are treating Eichel like he is McDavid or something. I don't think all 30 teams would want him, let alone be able to afford his contract and trade value.

His contract is fair and has more of a chance becoming slightly bad versus a great value.

I would take the following over Eichel without a question:

McDavid
Draisaitl
Matthews
Barkov
Scheifele
MacKinnon

After that it becomes more of a toss-up depending what you value and what contracts shake out as (Aho, Point, Barzal etc). Obviously, a good player but he hasn't shown that he can drag a team anywhere.

Not one of those guys have won anything either

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not one of those guys have won anything either

They all know what it means to play a meaningful hockey game after New Years. They all have had a taste of the post season and the post season pressure. That matters.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not one of those guys have won anything either

Point has and I would take him over Eichel in a heartbeat. Most of the winning centers are all getting older, so I wouldn't take ROR, Malkin, Crosby, Kopitar etc over Eichel in a normal situation but in a scenario where it is a one year run, I could get behind it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, some people are treating Eichel like he is McDavid or something. I don't think all 30 teams would want him, let alone be able to afford his contract and trade value.

His contract is fair and has more of a chance becoming slightly bad versus a great value.

I would take the following over Eichel without a question:

McDavid
Draisaitl
Matthews
Barkov
Scheifele
MacKinnon

After that it becomes more of a toss-up depending what you value and what contracts shake out as (Aho, Point, Barzal etc). Obviously, a good player but he hasn't shown that he can drag a team anywhere.

It’s not a good thing to have to drag a team anywhere.

Ideally, you’d be constructed with skill players throughout the top-9, all of whom are at least reasonably reliable defensively- you can have one Kessell type who’s just that good at scoring, but no more.

If you build thinking one guy is going to drag you anywhere, that’s a recipe for failure.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Proof that you can spin stats into anything you want. Another way of looking at it, and looking at the guy's whole career.

Taylor Hall before Jack Eichel: .85 P/G
Taylor Hall with Jack Eichel: .69 P/G

Cool, now do it with every single other player on the team.

[Yobbo]

Draisaitl is overrated. Take McD off that team and I guarantee his numbers are nothing elite.

[868904]

The Farm. I'd give up the Farm for Eichel.

But Sutter won't allow that to happen.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If you build thinking one guy is going to drag you anywhere, that’s a recipe for failure.

Then stop promoting the idea we trade almost everything of value to get a guy who clearly can't drag his team anywhere. He hasn't been able to do it in Buffalo and the trades suggested make Calgary Buffalo-north.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Cool, now do it with every single other player on the team.

That's kind of the point Cali. Players that have been elsewhere have not experienced a bump playing with Eichel. Scorp tried to point at Skinner as an example of someone experiencing a bump playing with Eichel, except he didn't. He produced similar numbers in Carolina (better long term).

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by New Era

That's kind of the point Cali. Players that have been elsewhere have not experienced a bump playing with Eichel. Scorp tried to point at Skinner as an example of someone experiencing a bump playing with Eichel, except he didn't. He produced similar numbers in Carolina (better long term).

Okay, but I don't think you can actually say that across the board when you don't have any info to do so. You have a couple of examples of guys coming to the team recently.

I see Skinner as a guy who has just stopped playing well. He got his retirement contract and he's going to ride it out playing 4th line minutes. It seems like he's okay with that.

Hall is truly puzzling, but I suspect that when any offensive player struggles on a bad team it's because they can't get the puck back long enough for him to do anything with it. Buffalo is truly bad in that regard, and so it doesn't shock me to see his numbers tumble this year. However, there's definitely something else going on with Hall. He's just not executing at a decent level at all. That's not on Eichel.

Look, I don't know if he's the 2nd coming of McDavid or if he's Alexei Yashin, but it's really, really hard to assess him properly on Buffalo. Put him on any team with a semblance of defensive play and structure and he'll probably flourish. Is it enough to change your entire franchise for him? I dunno, but I also don't get paid to make those decisions. What I do know is that the Flames really need some elite gamebreaking talent, and he has that.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Debatable whether that gets it done or not, but no ...30 teams do not ‘blow that out of the water. Lol!’

Christ. Get a grip. Your hyperbole doesn’t make you knowledgeable or ‘edgy’.

Monny will not be the major piece in a deal for an elite player.

At least not the Monny we’ve seen over the last 2 years.

Until Monny proves himself healthy and productive, he has little trade value.

Unfortunately Calgary doesn’t have that singular premium piece that would impress Buffalo in a trade proposal. That player would need to be young, with lots of term, and already productive.

Three years ago, Calgary had some of those players. Too much time has passed and those players now have less term and, in fact, have decreased production.


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[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by New Era

Proof that you can spin stats into anything you want. Another way of looking at it, and looking at the guy's whole career.

Taylor Hall before Jack Eichel: .85 P/G
Taylor Hall with Jack Eichel: .69 P/G

My comparison had only one changing variable with all others held constant. Your comparison involves multiple changing variables. Hall may be have played on a line with Eichel this year, but there are still 3 other skaters on the ice that affect how each shift unfolds.

Jeff Skinner has been an absolute turd since signing his mammoth contract. His presence on that line likely hampered the other 2.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Point has and I would take him over Eichel in a heartbeat. Most of the winning centers are all getting older, so I wouldn't take ROR, Malkin, Crosby, Kopitar etc over Eichel in a normal situation but in a scenario where it is a one year run, I could get behind it.

I meant the guys on the main list and the point was they haven't been able to drag anyone to anything...I would take Eichel over Point right now though

[Flamesforever99]

For Eichel?
Nothing because Brad's too cheap to trade for anyone, but if he was to get canned in the offseason then I'd give up Monny+ Hanifin+ Bennett+ however many draft picks they need.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesforever99

For Eichel?
Nothing because Brad's too cheap to trade for anyone, but if he was to get canned in the offseason then I'd give up Monny+ Hanifin+ Bennett+ however many draft picks they need.

Treliving’s been criticized for trading away too many assets. Now he’s cheap?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by New Era

Proof that you can spin stats into anything you want. Another way of looking at it, and looking at the guy's whole career.

Taylor Hall before Jack Eichel: .85 P/G
Taylor Hall with Jack Eichel: .69 P/G

Lol Hall couldn't pick the corner if it was an empty friggin net this season