[PGT] Flames lay an egg

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

If the quote is about Tkachuk, and that’s what you want to hang your hat on, let’s do that

If the team took issue with Tkachuk, would that be good or bad?

I haven’t loved his game this year so far. Toronto and tonight , he was more noticeable after the horn than during the game.

He could have made a difference tonight. But didn’t.

Your turn. Is it on the rest of the team?

That’s what I’m trying to say.

IF at the players only meeting, team members bemoaned tkachuk giving a #### after the Toronto loss for wanting to cause a brouhaha, because “we can’t be doing that every night” (paraphrasing Friedman) then that tells you everything you need to know about this hockey team and this leadership group...

I think though to answer your question, every player on this team is too happy being a rich young hockey player and forgot about the cup being what’s important not “hey who wants to play Xbox after we finish this game”

Buncha pussies

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flamesrule14

Thank god for Markstrom or that could have been an ugly one. Man I don’t know what that was, but oh boy what an awful game to watch. Canucks had the flames figured out and they couldn’t do anything about it. Not to pile on Ward, but that’s his job and he made no adjustments tonight. I know it was tough with Backs out, but he has to do something.

I’ve been saying it for awhile now, but I just don’t know what’s up with Tkachuk. He’s just off and not the same player. He’s a pro and I can’t question his give a crap meter and he hates losing, but right now his effort is concerning. That whole line hasn’t been good for a while now. Might be time to split them up. I do wonder if something was said in the players meeting with Tkachuk.

Hopefully Backs injury isn’t anything serious. Could get ugly without him as he was playing so well.

Tkachuk got an acoustic guitar and is now a god damn hippie. Somebody get him a Les Paul with a Marshall stack and a Tube Screamer!

Problem solved. You’re welcome

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So I just did a quick check. Flames have had 16 periods with less 7 shots or less on net already this year.

That is a major problem. I'm not going to even try to place blame here (gm, coach, players) but there's something flat out wrong with this team. We're approaching 25% of the season being done, but this feels like a core/fundamental problem.

Buckle in! cause the plan is to do nothing and hope something changes

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[Manhattanboy]

Along with everything else in life Covid has f’d up this season. It’s not enjoyable without fans In the stands and being able to go to games. This team is not going anywhere in any event even if it scrapes into the playoffs.

This is the perfect year to make major changes.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

That’s what I’m trying to say.

IF at the players only meeting, team members bemoaned tkachuk giving a #### after the Toronto loss for wanting to cause a brouhaha, because “we can’t be doing that every night” (paraphrasing Friedman) then that tells you everything you need to know about this hockey team and this leadership group...

I think though to answer your question, every player on this team is too happy being a rich young hockey player and forgot about the cup being what’s important not “hey who wants to play Xbox after we finish this game”

Buncha pussies

Tkachuk needs to show up in minutes 0-60, not 60+. When it’s too late

Marchand is annoying and backs it up on the scoreboard

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

That’s what I’m trying to say.

IF at the players only meeting, team members bemoaned tkachuk giving a #### after the Toronto loss for wanting to cause a brouhaha, because “we can’t be doing that every night” (paraphrasing Friedman) then that tells you everything you need to know about this hockey team and this leadership group...

I think though to answer your question, every player on this team is too happy being a rich young hockey player and forgot about the cup being what’s important not “hey who wants to play Xbox after we finish this game”

Buncha pussies

There is a 0% chance that’s what the team meeting was about.

No chance

[CFO]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

- Geoff Ward is awful
- Jacob Markstrom is fantastic
- Sam Bennett has 2 goals in 4 games

He also had a couple huge mistakes. And super lazy on Meyers goal

[Jeff Lebowski]

How can they even give Markstrom a break with the team game not consistent? It's not fair to Rittich.

Back to the game: the PP had multiple chances and they kept running the same entry that was getting stuffed (PP1). Why isn't it changed up? Gaudreau has been off for at least the past 2 games (despite his assist) and they keep going Gaudreau to Monahan and those two just got absolutely stuffed every time. Go to Lindholm on the entry.

Watch video of their good periods only - delete that game from memory.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There is a 0% chance that’s what the team meeting was about.

No chance

Literally what Friedman reported tonight so >0% chance

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Literally what Friedman reported tonight so >0% chance

Technically correct, the best kind of correct!

But you do have to wonder what’s up with Tkachuk

His points this year have been quieter and many games where you need someone to step up while the clock is running, he isn’t getting it done

We are over 10 games in so it’s time for him to start showing up and playing with focus and purpose

[868904]

If you don’t think it’s coaching, let me ask you how many times you felt as a fan cheated of a Darryl Sutter or Brian Sutter coached team? How many players only meetings has a Darryl Sutter coached team had?

It’s like we just can’t have that perfect combination of good coach and good team.

It’s either crap roster with good coach that squeezes blood from a stone, or

We get talented roster with weak coaches.

This team has a talented core but they are mental midgets, weak minded. They need a leader and this isn't about the captaincy. The coach has to be your leader. You can’t empower the players, this isn’t some tech company.

The infuriating thing about the Ward extension is that Treliving himself said that Gulutzan was too nice and didn’t command the respect of the players which is why he hired a bit of a hard ass in Peters. So why would you go back to a soft players coach again? He makes the same mistake over and over again. He finally smartened up by going all in on an elite goalie after years of getting cold feet. He gets a second chance on a coach and he goes back to his original mistake.

About Tkachuk, man he honestly looks like Tim Hunter out there.

[868904]

On a positive note, I really liked Mackey out there. It’s nice to see a defenseman who isn’t afraid to throw his weight around.

I was completely caught off guard seeing a Flames defenseman throw hits or try to physically separate an opposition forward from the puck.

I thought Flames defenseman were only allowed to stick check.

[btimbit]

Now that the anger has subsided...

Next game will be huge. I'm excited to see how the team comes back from laying such an egg. They have to be mad at themselves for that, if they're not, then we have some big issues.

Should be a good one on Monday

[FlamesAddiction]

I agree that there is a country club atmosphere with this team. I don't think Ward is the problem, but he might not be the solution either. There are certain players on this team that need a tougher coach, like a Hartley or Peters (obviously not them, but like them).

The inmates are running the asylum in Calgary.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Literally what Friedman reported tonight so >0% chance

Nope Friedman would be wrong then.

If it was about anything it was about Tkachuk being frustrated he’s the only one in scrums and nobody stands up for him. Gaudreau even insuitated that a bit in his spitting chiclets interview.

No chance they held the meeting to tell Tkachuk to stop doing it, no chance.

Edit: looks like Friedman has it more the way I was thinking. Tkachuk was mad that nobody joins the scrums with him and gets involved and called the team out for that. And team told him to pick his spots better and it can’t be every night. Both sides of that argument are fair and not nearly what you were positioning it as.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

That’s what I’m trying to say.

IF at the players only meeting, team members bemoaned tkachuk giving a #### after the Toronto loss for wanting to cause a brouhaha, because “we can’t be doing that every night” (paraphrasing Friedman) then that tells you everything you need to know about this hockey team and this leadership group...

Elliot mentioned this in his 31 thoughts post:

5. The Flames were feisty in their two most recent games, wins over Montreal and the Jets. That’s not a coincidence. When Matthew Tkachuk exploded at the end of last Tuesday’s loss to Toronto, it wasn’t about Jake Muzzin flipping the puck at him. If you dish it out, you’ve got to take it. I think he was upset that no one joined him in the scrum.

Calgary held a players-only meeting last Friday, and it sounds like he conveyed that message. It was received, although some comments were made to him that it can’t be a riot every night. Get your feelings in the open, get it sorted out, and play. The results speak for themselves.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/31-thou...mpression=true

Gaudreau also talked about it during his Spittin Chicklets interview. Tkachuk was mad that no one came to his defense. Johnny said that they didn’t see what was going on until they got to the bench.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Nope Friedman would be wrong then.

If it was about anything it was about Tkachuk being frustrated he’s the only one in scrums and nobody stands up for him. Gaudreau even insuitated that a bit in his spitting chiclets interview.

No chance they held the meeting to tell Tkachuk to stop doing it, no chance.

Honestly, at this point, I think Tkachuk and Lindholm are the core players this team should be building around. Monahan and Gaudreau are so laissez faire the way they play. They produce points, but I really have my doubts that they are the guys to lead this team.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Treliving used (maybe only his first year) to go on the radio after 10 games and discuss what's going on, what he sees. I want to hear this because I'd be curious to know what their analytics and player ratings have been like. I like Treliving. I like Ward. I like the team but this isn't just one bad game. How many periods have been good? Where is the area that needs the most improvements and I don't just want to hear 'our starts have to be better'. Where are they breaking down on the ice? Why isn't it being fixed/why is this inconsistent?

The issue with Steinberg and all the Fan guys is once they get team personnel in front of them they ask the softballs. Press them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Honestly, at this point, I think Tkachuk and Lindholm are the core players this team should be building around. Monahan and Gaudreau are so laissez faire the way they play. They produce points, but I really have my doubts that they are the guys to lead this team.

That’s been clear since the offseason.

Lindholm
Tkachuk
Dube
Mangiapane
Pelletier
Zary

Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki
Mackey (Maybe)

Markstrom

That’s the long term core this team should be building around, and they should be looking at moving the other assets to find guys that fit more into the under-25 age group that matches to that core (outside of Markstrom who is older)

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The inmates are running the asylum in Calgary.

In Burke's book he pretty much says this, when talking about Gulutzan. Gulutzan's biggest problem was the vets walked all over him

This team needs a Torts or a Laviolette