[PGT] Flames lose 4-1 to Winnipeg; lose Ryan to injury

[The Familia]

How about that players only meeting they had a little while ago? How has that worked out for them? I remember a few posters going on about how much the players care and that it was good they had the meeting because it would fire them up and turn the season around. Well they have become worse than before the meeting. Zero heart or effort on this team.

I’m pointing my finger at Matthew now. Nice big fat raise and he still can’t elevate his game to the next level. He is supposed to put this team on his back and spark them. He is a glorified agitator with decent hands. His goal and point totals have never really dictated the salary he is making. We protect him here because he is on our team but the reality is that he is a greasy cheapshot artist. He disappears when the going gets really tough. I expect more from our future captain amd right now he is not delivering.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I don't see how Treliving gets another coach. How many GMs with no success get 4 coaches?


Maybe we should try inserting some kids like Zary, Phillips and Ruzicka

At least it would make the games worth watching. How much worse would things really be with these kids vs Simon, leivo, Bennett, Nordstrom, lucic????

[Lanny_McDonald]

I could see injecting Ruzicka and Phillips into the mix, but not Zary. He's not ready and all you would do is screw up his development. Don't create another Sam Bennett to solve the problem of the Sam Bennetts on the team.

[LTH]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Time to get rid of Treliving. Does not have a clue how to build a team.

I'm starting to agree. Every year there are so huge holes and very questionable signings.

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[LTH]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Time for a big trade.

I'm done with Monahan.

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[madmike]

My big concern at this point is maximizing a return for Gaudreau. I can't see him coming back to the Flames after his current deal. Why would he? The franchise has been mired in mediocrity since he arrived.

If the Flames don't improve soon can they get a decent return this year? Or is it better to wait until next year? I don't know.

[LTH]

Originally Posted by jroc

I'm usually one that doesn't really pick up on situational line deployment, but... Down 3-1, 3:30 left in the game, offensive zone face off after a TV time out, and Ward puts out Lucic-Backlund-Simone

WDF?

Lol the other night the second PP unit when we needed a goal was Lucic, and Leivo lol

Sigh

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[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by LTH

I'm done with Monahan.

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I get being frustrated with Monahan and Gaudreau specifically in the previous season and a half, but I don't get how you can look at the team this season and identify Monahan as a major problem.

The entire team looks listless. If that's not evidence that it's systemic, I don't know what is.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by New Era

I could see injecting Ruzicka and Phillips into the mix, but not Zary. He's not ready and all you would do is screw up his development. Don't create another Sam Bennett to solve the problem of the Sam Bennetts on the team.

the circumstances are different this time because there's nowhere else for Zary to play. Is it better for his development to not play at all?


IMO it wouldn't hurt to give him 7 games. (Although, in Sam's case he played really well in his rookie season, so maybe there's a risk to that too)

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by LTH

Lol the other night the second PP unit when we needed a goal was Lucic, and Leivo lol

Sigh

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And Leivo in OT.

Ward really has his favourites (Lucic, Leivo, Nordstrom for example) who seem to be beyond any form of accountability.

I didn't play a ton of hockey growing up. But I played enough to encounter one good coach and one terrible coach. The team played twice as hard for the good coach.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Tsawwassen

What do you think of Terry Crisp?

Crisp wasn’t that good a coach. That team was so good, they just needed a decent coach. It was the Flames/oilers and everyone else and the Oilers had just lost the best player in the history of the game that offseason. Habs weren’t even good, they just had prime Roy.

This team needs an elite coach to make them competitive in the playoffs.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Time to get rid of Treliving. Does not have a clue how to build a team.

I was done with him when he re-signed Ward. Such a stupid move considering how many better coaches were available.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

After Ward was asked a question about the players only meeting it got me thinking...

Doesn’t it seem kind of telling that after only 5 games the players felt like they needed a players only meeting?

Like does that sound like a group that has faith in what this coaching staff was preaching when you need to have a meeting without the coaches so soon to the start of the year.

I was thinking this as well...

[Skaloper]

It's coaching... this team performs just fine when they have the lead but as soon as the other team is allowed to play more conservatively when the Flames fall behind they have absolutely no pushback until the final minutes. Also, whoever is in charge of the entry for the PP desperately needs to mix things up a bit as it's way too predictable.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Familia

How about that players only meeting they had a little while ago? How has that worked out for them? I remember a few posters going on about how much the players care and that it was good they had the meeting because it would fire them up and turn the season around. Well they have become worse than before the meeting. Zero heart or effort on this team.

I’m pointing my finger at Matthew now. Nice big fat raise and he still can’t elevate his game to the next level. He is supposed to put this team on his back and spark them. He is a glorified agitator with decent hands. His goal and point totals have never really dictated the salary he is making. We protect him here because he is on our team but the reality is that he is a greasy cheapshot artist. He disappears when the going gets really tough. I expect more from our future captain amd right now he is not delivering.

To me he looks a lot like his dad who was kind of a talented jerk that didn't win anything over his career in the NHL as he was the poster boy for captaining teams to first round exits. I don't see anything in his game that has moved the needle for the Flames outside of adding the reputation that the Flames are a dirty team. The bigger a pest he becomes, the worst he plays on the ice and he's not accomplished anything in the playoffs like his dad. We talk about Johnny leaving when his contract is up but really I think this guy will easily bolt to wherever he can make the most money and if it be the Rangers or any US market I just can't see any loyalty here with him. Maybe he should be part of a complete upheaval this roster requires.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Fan being pretty honest in their opinions. Getting pretty sick of the game radio broadcast team. Last night, they were trying to point this to "coaches still trying instill a new system ","so many new guys in the room", oh and "no camp, it's only 10 game".

Loubardias is terrible. Stop asking yourself questions before answering questions.. Give an honest opinion. I don't care about "good guys", "good in the good room", b.s. Man, nobody gives a crap about that.

If your a pro analyst, analyze the game and share an honest opinion already.

The worst thing about that story is, the team is getting worse. If it's instilling a system, the system is making them worse.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Skaloper

It's coaching... this team performs just fine when they have the lead but as soon as the other team is allowed to play more conservatively when the Flames fall behind they have absolutely no pushback until the final minutes. Also, whoever is in charge of the entry for the PP desperately needs to mix things up a bit as it's way too predictable.

If I see one more bump back I'll snap

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I get being frustrated with Monahan and Gaudreau specifically in the previous season and a half, but I don't get how you can look at the team this season and identify Monahan as a major problem.

The entire team looks listless. If that's not evidence that it's systemic, I don't know what is.

No doubt.

Of the forwards the only ones who have been passable to good have been Monahan, Gaudreau, & Lindholm.

Mangiapane & Dube get an honorable mention because they have at least worked hard and created chances, but have been snakebit.

Tkachuk, Backlund, Lucic, Leivo, Bennett, Nordstrom, Ryan, Simon....None of them have been close to good enough and Backlund & Tkachuk especially have been dissapointing.

Last night none of the forwards were good but before that Monahan and Gaudreau have easily been our most consistent forwards this year.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

No doubt.

Of the forwards the only ones who have been passable to good have been Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm, and Mangiapane.

Dube gets an honorable mention.

Tkachuk, Backlund, Lucic, Leivo, Bennett, Nordstrom, Ryan, Simon....None of them have been close to good enough and Backlund & Tkachuk especially have been dissapointing.

Last night none of the forwards were good but before that Monahan and Gaudreau have easily been our most consistent forwards this year.

In a perfect world I would love to see an overhaul and replace Backlund, Lucic, Leivo, Bennett, Nordstrom, Ryan, Simon with some new blood.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Familia

How about that players only meeting they had a little while ago? How has that worked out for them? I remember a few posters going on about how much the players care and that it was good they had the meeting because it would fire them up and turn the season around.

Did anyone ACTUALLY say those things?