Ocean Wiesblatt discussion

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Weisblatt family statement on social media.



I'm thinking a family advisor (read: agent) may have persuaded them.

Also love the "[blank] Weisblatt is with [blank] Weisblatt and [blank]as Weisblatt".

I'm flummoxed!

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Iceman57

Wait.......didn't we try the same argument when trying to save a certain off topic thread about a million years ago?

I swear I'm only kidding, I just couldn't resist, lmao

It IS a good argument, it just didn't work, sadly. ;D

[14Roman14]

It amazes me how many people think it is so wrong for a person to be out playing hockey. I thought for sure on a hockey forum that people would turn off CBC, CTV, and global for 30 seconds and realize that playing hockey is something that brings joy to a pretty dark world right now. Could everyone involved handled it differently. For sure they could have.
But thinking about it, there were maximum numbers that could be on the ice. Once everyone else got off and him and 3 others stayed on they were technically below the threshold and not breaking any rules at that point. So definitely he was right to question why he was being asked to leave and to ask why he was being arrested. Should he have not resisted when the officers initiated contact. Definitely. But the man definitely didn’t deserve to be in that spot to begin with.
Now it sounds like rinks are mostly shut down and nobody gets to have that outing. Does that make you all celebrate and somehow feel more safe? And if there is a person struggling with mental health issues at home but having that rink to get out on was an escape. Say worst case scenario that person ends his/her own life, is anyone going to know it may have been because they feared going to the rink as some may call them out, call the cops and tar and feather them on the internet for so called being selfish when they needed that to stay mentally strong.
It really seems like that’s ok to you all if that happens because god forbid we may cause more cases of this virus that has a 99.7 percent survival rate. Everyone is so terrified right now they will do anything the news and government says. Do you all think that they have your best interests at heart 100 percent of the time? Do you realize that they need you to be scared to control your every move. Do you know that the ones hiding Anne Frank were breaking the law, and the ones that killed her were following it? That may sound extreme but it’s the truth.
And before you all jump down my throat about not knowing my facts, I’ve talked to 2 different nurses with 40 and 30 plus years experience that say this will be the biggest crime against humanity ever. The one with 40 plus years is a lab technician that has tested for many many viruses and illnesses over the years. I know 5 people that have had it. 3 of them had a sore throat and were a bit sluggish for a day and then were fine. One had a fever and extreme shortness of breath but was back to normal in 2 days. The other was asthmatic and said it knocked him on his butt and was so hard to breath for 2.5 days but then slowly started to get better but that was only a few days ago so is still on the right path but not there yet. Their message though was simple. Live your lives, don’t let this control you. Don’t fear it to the point you stop doing everything you enjoy in fear of it.
Also my dad is in a long term care home. He has dementia. He can’t see anyone and is getting worse everyday. I try to talk to him on the phone but can’t see him. He only lights up for kids but can’t see his grandkids. I know my dad well enough and have had enough talks over the years before he started getting worse to know that he would rather take the risk of losing his life to covid and see his loved ones as opposed to being locked up because the general public is so scared he and others like him might contract a virus that is 90 percent survivable even for people in his category.
I used to very much respect this board and checked it often to get an escape from the real problems in life and enjoy the hockey chat.
That said I find it disgraceful that on this non flames topic you all are terrified and have a one track mind and jump down anyone’s throat who aren’t fully on your terrified train and fail to realize there are other aspects and fallouts from this one incident. It makes me wonder if any of you ever played hockey and grew up on the outdoor rinks and got that joy that is needed in life from those times? Or are you all keyboard warriors that see the games on tv and pick them apart but don’t get the passion and determination the players put in over the years.
There is two sides to every issue but when one side is written of without a doubt there needs to be a bit of understanding that there are fallouts in negative ways if you all get your way too. Don’t just call people out as crazies for wanting the person to have the freedom to play hockey. Look into the issues. See where they are coming from too.
Everyone definitely has the right to their own opinions and need to be true to themselves and what they believe in. It scares me that a lot think it’s right that a player agent or advisor got family members to make that statement. If it was truly their statement ok, I am fine with that. If however they believed in standing up for their brother/family member but were warned their image would be tarnished because most of the population would tar and feather them and try to ruin a brothers career because of association that is wrong in so many levels. Be true to who you are and stand up for what you believe in no matter what. If going with the flow just to go with it sometimes that toilet will flush and you’ll go down with the rest of the turds.

[WhiteTiger]

Away for 12 years, and this is what you return with. Alrighty, then...

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

It amazes me how many people think it is so wrong for a person to be out playing hockey. I thought for sure on a hockey forum that people would turn off CBC, CTV, and global for 30 seconds and realize that playing hockey is something that brings joy to a pretty dark world right now. Could everyone involved handled it differently. For sure they could have.

For sure. However, I don't think a single person here thinks it's wrong to play hockey. He didn't get criminal charges for 'just playing hockey', though.

But thinking about it, there were maximum numbers that could be on the ice. Once everyone else got off and him and 3 others stayed on they were technically below the threshold and not breaking any rules at that point.

So what makes him more special than the other 39 people there? Why does he get to remain when everyone was asked to leave in order to be fair. Since there was 40 people there, and the posted rink limit was 15 (IIRC) who are the 25 who must leave and why? Why does one person over another get to stay? What's so special about him over the others? For fairness sake, everyone was asked to vacate the rink.

So definitely he was right to question why he was being asked to leave and to ask why he was being arrested.

He was asked to leave a lot of times, and told why a lot of times. He only needed to be told once. He may not agree with why he was asked to leave, but that's irrelevant. He was asked to leave. He was told why he was being asked to leave. He chose to be an entitled ###### about it, which brought about the cops. When he pulled those tricks with the cops, he moved up into a criminal charge. Which he was told. And he persisted.

Should he have not resisted when the officers initiated contact. Definitely. But the man definitely didn’t deserve to be in that spot to begin with.

Not true. If he'd only left in the 15 minutes the Bylaw officer was dealing with him, nothing would have happened. If he'd left in the 15 minutes before the video of the cops dealing with him, he'd have only left with a ticket. But he had to be an entitled ###### with an agenda. So...he actually did "deserve to be in that spot to begin with" because he wholly and fully brought it on himself as a result of his actions.

Now it sounds like rinks are mostly shut down and nobody gets to have that outing.

Yep. ###### has ruined it for everyone else now. I hope he's happy.

Does that make you all celebrate and somehow feel more safe?

No. It does make me sad that the clearly selfish actions of a very few are impacting the large majority. But if this year has taught us anything, it's that humanity can be very, very selfish.

And if there is a person struggling with mental health issues at home but having that rink to get out on was an escape. Say worst case scenario that person ends his/her own life, is anyone going to know it may have been because they feared going to the rink as some may call them out, call the cops and tar and feather them on the internet for so called being selfish when they needed that to stay mentally strong.

That would be tragic indeed. However, they can still go to the rink and shoot pucks around by themselves if they wanted to.

QAnon conspiracy theory/alt-right bunk

No, just not worth the time...

Be true to who you are and stand up for what you believe in no matter what.

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

If going with the flow just to go with it sometimes that toilet will flush and you’ll go down with the rest of the turds.

We should be so lucky...

[Mull]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

Do you know that the ones hiding Anne Frank were breaking the law, and the ones that killed her were following it? That may sound extreme but it’s the truth.

WhiteTiger did a more detailed point by point breakdown on your post. I just had to quote this bit - because, well, its just such an amazing bit to post to show how clueless one really is and Tiger didn't directly address it.

Compare the government reluctantly cancelling in-person events for ~30 days to Nazi's sending a teenager and her family to a death camp. Yes, our government is truly on the cusp of being Nazi occupied Europe. Your comparison in no way minimizes the horrors of the holocaust

Saying "this may sound extreme but its the truth" doesn't make your comparison any more effective or correct. It actually only points to the fact you may have some sort of self awareness of how stupid, entitled and horrific your comparison is.

Way to minimize the millions of deaths in Europe from the holocaust!

The problem you face with this is that, you might just have some people on your side worried about the government overreach on liberties. Then they read your manifesto and they think "no way I want to be seen as implying killing millions of people in Europe is a good to comparison to me not eating turkey with my family" because the entire world sees how stupid I look with that argument (and perhaps because it is a horrific argument to make which makes the person making it look like a horrible human)

Turn down the crazy.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Mull

WhiteTiger did a more detailed point by point breakdown on your post. I just had to quote this bit - because, well, its just such an amazing bit to post to show how clueless one really is.

Compare the government reluctantly cancelling in-person events for ~30 days to Nazi's sending a teenager and her family to a death camp. Yes, our government is truly on the cusp of being Nazi occupied Europe. Your comparison in no way minimizes the horrors of the holocaust

Saying "this may sound extreme" doesn't make your comparison any more effective or correct. It actually only points to the fact you may have some sort of self awareness of how stupid and entitled your argument is.

Way to minimize the millions of deaths in Europe from the holocaust!

The problem you face with this is that, you might just have some people on your side worried about the government overreach on liberties. Then they read your manifesto and they think "no way I want to be seen as implying killing millions of people in Europe is a good to comparison to me not eating turkey with my family" because the entire world sees how stupid I look with that argument (and perhaps because it is a horrific argument to make which makes the person making it look like a horrible human)

Turn down the crazy.

Maybe he meant it in a nice way and typed poorly. Like comparing it to the law of nature. We're all Anne Frank fighting against death together, and Covid is the Nazi's trying to kill us.

[Lumby Lager]

Thank you for addressing a few of those remarks and doing it so calmly.

Have a great Christmas!

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Away for 12 years, and this is what you return with. Alrighty, then...



For sure. However, I don't think a single person here thinks it's wrong to play hockey. He didn't get criminal charges for 'just playing hockey', though.



So what makes him more special than the other 39 people there? Why does he get to remain when everyone was asked to leave in order to be fair. Since there was 40 people there, and the posted rink limit was 15 (IIRC) who are the 25 who must leave and why? Why does one person over another get to stay? What's so special about him over the others? For fairness sake, everyone was asked to vacate the rink.



He was asked to leave a lot of times, and told why a lot of times. He only needed to be told once. He may not agree with why he was asked to leave, but that's irrelevant. He was asked to leave. He was told why he was being asked to leave. He chose to be an entitled ###### about it, which brought about the cops. When he pulled those tricks with the cops, he moved up into a criminal charge. Which he was told. And he persisted.



Not true. If he'd only left in the 15 minutes the Bylaw officer was dealing with him, nothing would have happened. If he'd left in the 15 minutes before the video of the cops dealing with him, he'd have only left with a ticket. But he had to be an entitled ###### with an agenda. So...he actually did "deserve to be in that spot to begin with" because he wholly and fully brought it on himself as a result of his actions.



Yep. ###### has ruined it for everyone else now. I hope he's happy.



No. It does make me sad that the clearly selfish actions of a very few are impacting the large majority. But if this year has taught us anything, it's that humanity can be very, very selfish.



That would be tragic indeed. However, they can still go to the rink and shoot pucks around by themselves if they wanted to.



No, just not worth the time...



There is none so blind as he who will not see.



We should be so lucky...

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I can't find his mom's facebook but the scuttlebutt, if you will, is that she's a fervid anti-masker, per her FB postings. So I'm thinking it's a CYA thing, for his brother, and that they had help drafting that from the Sharks.

Well there ya go, maybe that’s the case. Either way, I appreciate your use of the word “scuttlebutt”.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Abatedmean

You guys aren't gonna realize you have no freedom until you have given it all away. And man, will you think yourself an idiot then.

Ya, first they are coming for your guns

Funny how the Conservatives always mock the fermongering of the left, like the need to vaccinate, seatbelt laws back in the day, Covid etc yet they seem paralyzed by fear themselves. Socialism, guns taken away, Jesus getting angry, freedoms taken away, Christmas being cancelled by Muslims and on and on....none of which have been a real threat, ever.

Acting like a bunch of whiny snowflakes.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I can't find his mom's facebook but the scuttlebutt, if you will, is that she's a fervid anti-masker, per her FB postings. So I'm thinking it's a CYA thing, for his brother, and that they had help drafting that from the Sharks.

If his Mom is an antimasker she would be one of the few with a argument that at least can be somewhat understood. Hearing impaired people need to lip read and obviously masks restrict this.

But if that is a persons stance, aligning with the scientifically adverse is a failed strategy. Promote shields and/or the plastic see-through masks.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I can't find his mom's facebook but the scuttlebutt, if you will, is that she's a fervid anti-masker, per her FB postings. So I'm thinking it's a CYA thing, for his brother, and that they had help drafting that from the Sharks.

Not sure where you are getting that. Her facebook page has more than one picture telling people to "stay home and stay safe". Doesn't look to be an anti masker at all.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

This probably isn't going the way Ocean expected.

The tide has turned.

[GGG]

A 99.7% survival rate means that 13,500 Albertans will die from Covid. Normally about 40,000 Albertans die each year. .3% is also the low end of the death rate as New York City already killed .25% of its population and more importantly it assumes there is good health care available to treat people. If measures like the province has put in are not followed the good health care assumption is false and death rate rises. You also get ancillary deaths and loss of quality of life due to lack of other health care.

So just saying 99.7% survival rate shows a fundamental misunderstanding for how large of death rate .3% is and the consequences of that death and hospitalization rate would have on the health care system.

You also speak about fear. I don’t think people are afraid of the virus. Instead they look at the consequences of exponential growth vs waiting 6 months to herd immunity and support reasonable policies to prevent excess deaths until that time.

Also to the point of numbers you also have to maintain 2m spacing at all times while doing outdoor physical activity therefore regardless of numbers they were in violation of the health orders.

And finally until the anti-maskers start protesting for my right not to wear pants I won’t take them seriously.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by GGG

A 99.7% survival rate means that 13,500 Albertans will die from Covid. Normally about 40,000 Albertans die each year. .3% is also the low end of the death rate as New York City already killed .25% of its population and more importantly it assumes there is good health care available to treat people. If measures like the province has put in are not followed the good health care assumption is false and death rate rises. You also get ancillary deaths and loss of quality of life due to lack of other health care.

So just saying 99.7% survival rate shows a fundamental misunderstanding for how large of death rate .3% is and the consequences of that death and hospitalization rate would have on the health care system.

You also speak about fear. I don’t think people are afraid of the virus. Instead they look at the consequences of exponential growth vs waiting 6 months to herd immunity and support reasonable policies to prevent excess deaths until that time.

Also to the point of numbers you also have to maintain 2m spacing at all times while doing outdoor physical activity therefore regardless of numbers they were in violation of the health orders.

And finally until the anti-maskers start protesting for my right not to wear pants I won’t take them seriously.

Not to mention the potential long term health affects it could leave you with. Just because you survive doesn’t necessarily mean you’re out of the park. I know of a guy in his late thirties that has permanent lung damage as a result

[Pipty]

Death rate increases if there is no hospital capacity too.

[Poe969]

I got a speeding ticket but I told the officer that the speed limit was their rule and not mine. I still got the ticket!!! How stupid is that, I mean if you don't want to drive fast and reckless get off the road! I mean I have a mental illness and driving fast is the only way to help me!

Please start a gofund me page to help pay for the ticket and court fees.


How stupid does it sound when you use other laws? Does the law suck, of course it does. No one wants to be in a global pandemic but we are and because of that, the rules of life have changed. These are laws put in place for our own protection, you can't pick and choose which laws you want to follow and just because you don't believe it or agree with them.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Weisblatt family statement on social media.



I'm thinking a family advisor (read: agent) may have persuaded them.

If you do a little digging and find his mom’s open and public Facebook, she is reposting GoFundMe’s for Ocean, a photo of a child wearing a hockey jersey being attacked by a police dog, and YouTube’s about her son fighting the good fight.

Clearly the SJS draft pick son trying to distance himself, not the family.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by 14roman14

tl;dr

[Sainters7]

Everything about this dude is irritating, including his name

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Everything about this dude is irritating, including his name

His younger sister's name is....wait for it...Oceania.