[PGT] EAT #### BRAD MARCHAND - Flames WIN!

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

DeBrusk is the best overall color guy in Alberta because he's likeable and provides some insight. Remenda also provides decent insight gut his homerism is so off the charts that he can't be taken seriously. Cassie and Kelly both offer little insight. The odd time Hrudey picks up on something but it's sandwiched between homerism and bad humor.

DeBrusk is horrible to listen to. Everything is about the No Goods. No thanks; I'll listen on "silent" when he and Randorf are on the air.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

To be fair, the only times I really complain about her is when we're getting our asses kicked. It's like when we're winning and I'm having fun watching the game, I'm not too worried about it, but when we're losing and/or the game itself sucks, that's when I rely on the commentators to keep me into it... and then it's like... dammit, not only does the game suck, but now I gotta listen to a robot voice mansplain to me about how a puck went into the net because someone hit it really hard with a hockey stick?

Dude you've said this twice now. By definition, she can not mansplain anything to you.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think the reason some people feel there's some sexism involved is that, as stated above, most posters end up agreeing that she's no worse than a lot of CCs. Yet the criticism is constant for her, whereas it's not with the others. .

Don't know if that's true.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rando

Don't know if that's true.

Look at our GTs when someone other than Campbell or Hrudey is on. Look way back at them when one of the ones who she is being compared to evenly is on.

The complaining is pretty constant when she's on, way more than for others.

[Flacker]

Cassie's analysis that Forbort being on the red-eye from LA last night, so he would have had a good afternoon nap, was riveting stuff.

I can see why people don't like her, and it has nothing to do with her being female.

[taxbuster]

I don't mind Cassie. Having said that, she could get a voice coach who would help her to vary her intonations, cadence and overall delivery. This is what non-natural-good-speakers do, or singers (I have a son who is a singer and his voice instructor was adamant about this). Also phraseology...she could indeed lose the "no question about it" part of her lexicon.

Toastmasters or something like that is a good place as well.

To me ALL CC people fail to a certain extent, and for that I fault "wordiness" on both the CC and PbP people. The British style for soccer is far better: "Jones....Smith....Ivanov... broken up nicely by Stettler...." with pauses and cadence. We ARE after all WATCHING the play.

Anyway, I do get tired of the endless Cassie crap here. It does somewhat border on misogyny to me. It's light, but annoying. If you don't like her, turn the sound off, same as I do with Debrusk/Randorf.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flacker

Cassie's analysis that Forbort being on the red-eye from LA last night, so he would have had a good afternoon nap, was riveting stuff.

I can see why people don't like her, and it has nothing to do with her being female.

That's pretty standard CC fluff. I could totally picture the exact same statement from Hrudey or Debrusk, with no comments about it at all. The only difference is that Hrudey'd maybe make it funny. Though I think Ball's the funny one and Hrudey just laughs.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Flacker

Cassie's analysis that Forbort being on the red-eye from LA last night, so he would have had a good afternoon nap, was riveting stuff.

I can see why people don't like her, and it has nothing to do with her being female.

If Hrudey had said the same thing, would you have even noticed or commented sarcastically? (Doesn't require an answer, just self-reflection.)

[foshizzle11]

God, we beat the best team in the league and all you guys are talking about is the damn commentators?

Who cares if the people on air are women or men, they have a responsibility to their jobs, some people prefer who they prefer, get on with it.

Lets enjoy the last two wins and hope it turns into something longer and we can jump up in the standings.

This is a huge confidence booster, the trades BT made I believe are going to help the team now, that was obvious from the performance last night. I hope we see more of that style of play at home, why can't they do that at home?

Thank you Brad Marchand for getting the team all riled up! That was the TSN turning point in the game. Great game by Rittich, Eat Bread was everywhere last night, beating guys to the puck constantly. Forbort and Gustafsson played well, they didn't look out of place really besides maybe a couple of times. It is nice to see a defenseman who thinks to shoot first, it is refreshing. I can't tell you how many times I am yelling shoot at my tv game after game. We need more of that from the point, I hope the rest of the players can see how effective it is. We scored last night from a shot by Hanifin of the end boards and Brodie hit the post on an innocent looking shot from the point. We need to do that more often, it doesn't always have to be the perfect passing play or perfect shot, just gotta get it through.

That was fun, that is why we cheer for a team for entertainment. Keep it going!

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Definitely not the best choice of words lol, but she needs to stop commentating like the audience is new to hockey, its rules, and its strategies. Nobody likes to be patronized.

If she were doing Vegas broadcasts then sure, that might be welcomed.. but she isn't, she's catering to one of the most knowledgable hockey fanbases in Canada and should adjust accordingly.

I meant "mansplaining" from a hockey player perspective. We're not pro hockey players, but we understand how gravity works and that a puck in the air will fall to the ice all on its own.

I guess I could have said "hockeyplayersplaining."

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

If Hrudey had said the same thing, would you have even noticed or commented sarcastically? (Doesn't require an answer, just self-reflection.)

I don't think Hrudey would have to dig that deep for "color", he would have something more interesting/insightful to add. She states the obvious, and frames it as analysis.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's pretty standard CC fluff. I could totally picture the exact same statement from Hrudey or Debrusk, with no comments about it at all. The only difference is that Hrudey'd maybe make it funny. Though I think Ball's the funny one and Hrudey just laughs.

By CC i thought you meant Cassie Campbell and was really confused what your point was

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

Dude you've said this twice now. By definition, she can not mansplain anything to you.

Fine... I'm not a woman, and she's not a man, but she's a hockey player and I'm not, and she's talking about hockey.

Mansplaining is a pejorative term meaning "to comment on or explain something to a woman in a condescending, overconfident, and often inaccurate or oversimplified manner".

"Mansplaining" gets the point across without having to type out "comment on or explain something in a condescending, overconfident, and often inaccurate or oversimplified manner."

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

...This is a huge confidence booster, the trades BT made I believe are going to help the team now, that was obvious from the performance last night. I hope we see more of that style of play at home, why can't they do that at home?...

It has been said a few times before but I think this is a coaching issue. The team plays a simpler game on the road; when I watch them play on home ice it feels like the players are much more often confused or uncertain about their assignments.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Rando

By CC i thought you meant Cassie Campbell and was really confused what your point was

That would be



Colour Commentator Cassie Campbell-Pascall
(and former team Canada hero...)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flacker

I don't think Hrudey would have to dig that deep for "color", he would have something more interesting/insightful to add. She states the obvious, and frames it as analysis.

Have you listened to Hrudey? Half of his stuff is personal "players often like this routine" or "when I played I liked it when..." kinda schtick. I like him a lot but he's almost never takes a deep dive into analysis.

The mechanics of a traded player coming in and playing on short rest/practice are a really typical example of what a colour person normally adds.

Bad example, but Remenda went on and on about the new guys and how they'd feel.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flacker

I don't think Hrudey would have to dig that deep for "color", he would have something more interesting/insightful to add. She states the obvious, and frames it as analysis.

Are we talking about the same Kelly Hrudey? He seldom says anything insightful, and the only interest he provides to the broadcast stems from funny stories about when he once played. I think a lot of people have a point, here, and this is exactly what they are talking about: Campbell endures more criticism for essentially doing nothing different from her peers.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

We can incorporate this somehow into CP, yes?

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Are we talking about the same Kelly Hrudey? He seldom says anything insightful, and the only interest he provides to the broadcast stems from funny stories about when he once played. I think a lot of people have a point, here, and this is exactly what they are talking about: Campbell endures more criticism for essentially doing nothing different from her peers.

Ok insightful was likely a bad choice of word, entertaining would be better. I find Kelly Hrudey to be exponentially more interesting than Cassie Campbell. Better?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by troutman

Drives me nuts how he constantly laughs at all his own jokes. Yuk, yuk, yuk.

While the play is going on.