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Old 08-17-2022, 06:51 PM   #281
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Honest question, did some coaches came out and day that Iginla is hard to coach?
I *think* it was a game in Detroit. He and Brent were separately being interviewed after a skate. Brent was saying how the team has to play together and everyone has to commit to team defense. Iginla was basically saying he’s not interested and that someone on the team has to score.

They were clearly talking about each other.

Also, y’all confusing good Flames players with a person’s favourites. Iginla was a top 5 Flame player but I disliked him - he’s certainly not a favorite of mine.
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Old 08-17-2022, 06:59 PM   #282
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Top 10

Iginla
Johnny
Tkachuk
Nilsson
MacInnis
Kipper
Loob
Makarov
Nieuwendyk
Fleury

Bottom 10

Jankowski
Neal
Brouwer
Cyr
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Glynn
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Old 08-17-2022, 07:01 PM   #283
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I went very sour on Iggy during the Brent Sutter years when he basically admitted he has no interest in listening to the coach. So he kept button-hooking along the boards because he knew better.

Sorry.
In Jarome’s defence, Brent had no idea how to coach this team. His systems were pure east-west hockey and our defensive coverage was a nightmare for any sort of transition game. We finished 2nd last in the league for GF in 2009-10 after finishing 8th overall the year before.

Plus that team was dealing with all the Phaneuf drama which Iginla was right in the centre of. I give Iggy a pass for not being his best self that year after seeing everything he worked for burning around him, especially as the Keenan years had felt like they were on the precipice of success.
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Old 08-17-2022, 07:35 PM   #284
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1. Brathwaite
2. Aliu
3. R. Thompson
4. McCarthy
5. Oliwa
6. Simon (1st stint)
7. Grimson
8. Sharples
9. T. Garner
10. Letourneau-Lablond

Least Faves:

1. Grossmann
2. Kotalik
3. Fata
4. Ivanans
5. Lack
6. Modin
7. Potter
8. Setoguchi
9. Sorochan
10. Zemlak
10. Diaz
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Old 08-17-2022, 08:12 PM   #285
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Top 10, there’s just so many though:
Lanny
Jarome
Peplinski
Hunter
Loob
Phaneuf
Regehr
Conroy
Gelinas
Brodie

Hm
Kiprusoff
Tkachuk
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Zadorov
So many others really.

I could easily list 10 more.

Least Favourite - tough actually
Mcgrattan- unpopular I know
White
Bertuzzi
Cammelleri
Wideman
Morrison
Baertschi
Leeman
Neal
Smith

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Old 08-17-2022, 08:16 PM   #286
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Yeah, I can't put any Flames on merely on the basis they didn't play well. For me it's mainly about work ethic (Bourque), being dirty (Marchment), or just a nasty personality (Smith).

Of course, I could make a list of Flames who subsequently were just no good:

Smith, Russell, Dowd, Unger, Jalonen, Neal and (I suppose) Brossoit.

And players who became much better: Lucic, Talbot, Staios, Glencross, Smid, Steve Smith
Is it a coincidence that all that became better were ex Oilers?
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Old 08-17-2022, 08:19 PM   #287
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New Favorite? Jonathan Huberdeau.
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Old 08-17-2022, 09:55 PM   #288
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1. Al MacInnis
2. Gary Roberts
3. Doug Gilmour
4. Jerome Iginla
5. Phil Houseley
6. Joe Nieuwendyk
7. Mark Savard
8. Martin St Louis.
9. Mikka Kiprusoff
10. Jonny Gaudreau.


1. Theo Fleury.
2. Gary Leeman.
3. Doug Reisbrough
4. Robert Reicheal.
5. James Neil.
6. Trevor Kidd
7. Craig Berube
8. Ales Kotalik
9.Troy Brouwer
10. Theo Fleury.
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Old 08-17-2022, 11:13 PM   #289
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Is it a coincidence that all that became better were ex Oilers?
No, just like the ones who got worse went the other way.
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Old 08-18-2022, 12:54 AM   #290
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Fav:
Lanny
Nieuwendyk
Iginla
Loob
Mullen
Gaudreau
Monahan
MacInnis
Vernon
Kiprusoff

Dislike:
Grant Fuhr
Steve Smith
Steve Staios
James Neal
Don Edwards
Kari Eloranta
Rene Bourque (like him initially but for the last half of his time I wanted him gone)
Niklas Grossman
Gary Leeman
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Old 08-18-2022, 02:15 AM   #291
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1. Mike Cammelleri
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Miikka Kiprusoff
4. Alex Tanguay
5. Corey Sarich
6. Matthew Tkachuk
7. Theo Fleury
8. Robyn Regehr
9. Dave Lowry
10. Tony Amonte


Least

1. Dennis Wideman (Useless, hit an official, put a target on our back for the reffs, got the province, city and team sued and charged us money for all of that. #### him)
2. Tim Erixon (####ed us after the draft.)
3. Johnny Gaudreau (Self Explanatory)
4. Mark Giordano (Most overrated player we've ever had, I think he had more to do with our lackluster performance then anything else, verified by our near instant rebound on his leave, terrible captain, I'm sure he's a great guy though)
--This is where it turns into more on-ice grievances--
5. Rene Bourque (Injured and toxic in the locker room)
6. Troy Brouwer (Useless On Ice for us.)
7. Dion Phaneuf (Locker room Cancer, Defensive liability)
8. Anton Babchuk (90% of the time a healthy scratch, useless)
9. Scott Staios (Literal Pylon)
10. Martin St. Louis (Tampa Bay Connection)

Dishonourable Mention: Gary Leeman and Rico Fata, before my time but hurt the franchise badly
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Old 08-18-2022, 05:50 AM   #292
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Don’t like the way Johnny left. I blame it 50/50 between him and Treliving but without a doubt the most exciting player ever worn a Flames uniform, only arguable with Iggy

St Louis was not a Flames long enough to like or dislike
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Old 08-18-2022, 07:36 AM   #293
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Don’t like the way Johnny left. I blame it 50/50 between him and Treliving but without a doubt the most exciting player ever worn a Flames uniform, only arguable with Iggy

St Louis was not a Flames long enough to like or dislike
IMO, Theoren Fleury deserves that designation.
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Old 08-18-2022, 08:45 AM   #294
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Top 10 Faves:

1. Brathwaite
2. Aliu
3. R. Thompson
4. McCarthy
5. Oliwa
6. Simon (1st stint)
7. Grimson
8. Sharples
9. T. Garner
10. Letourneau-Lablond
Besides Brathwaite, that's a nice goons list from the Flames. I'm surprised you don't have Nick Fotio and Tim Hunter in there.
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Old 08-18-2022, 09:03 AM   #295
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Probably too much recency bias to say the list is altime and I cannot count, but

Most favourite:

Darryl Sutter
Jarome Iginla
Jordan Leopold
Mikka Kiprusoff
Mikael Backlund
Micheal Ferland
TJ Brodie
Mark Giordano
Oliver Kylington
Johnny Gaudreau
Paul Byron
Sam Bennett
Matt Stajan

Least Favourite

Glen Gulutzan
Geoff Ward
Bill Peters
Brian Burke
James Neal
Troy Brouwer
Dougie Hamilton
Brandon Bollig
Matt Bartkowski
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Old 08-18-2022, 09:08 AM   #296
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Don’t like the way Johnny left. I blame it 50/50 between him and Treliving but without a doubt the most exciting player ever worn a Flames uniform, only arguable with Iggy

St Louis was not a Flames long enough to like or dislike
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IMO, Theoren Fleury deserves that designation.

Kent Nilsson says hello.
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Old 08-18-2022, 09:13 AM   #297
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Kent Nilsson says hello.
I watched Kent’s whole career as a Flames and the answer is no.

Kent may have a few magical games but he disappeared frequently.

Overall, Johnny had him beat easily

With that said Kent is on my top 10 Flames to watch
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Old 08-18-2022, 09:16 AM   #298
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IMO, Theoren Fleury deserves that designation.
He is up there for sure
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Old 08-18-2022, 09:16 AM   #299
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I watched Kent’s whole career as a Flames and the answer is no.

Kent may have a few magical games but he disappeared frequently.

Overall, Johnny had him beat easily

With that said Kent is on my top 10 Flames to watch

That's why they called him "the Magic Man" - he'd vanish without a trace!

I agree his consistency (or lack thereof) was maddening, but when he was on he was ON. Shame he had such a bad work ethic.
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Favourties:
1 Fleury
2 Kiprusoff
3 Iginla
4 Monahan
5 MacInnis
6 Vernon
7 Conroy
8 Regehr
9 Jokinen
10 Oliwa

Bottom 10:
Bertuzzi
Any other player who used to be a Canuck with one exception, Gelinas (He redeemed himself)
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