[News] Hurricanes officially match Aho offer sheet (5 years x $8.454 million)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It's the second time he's clearly meant to sign into a different account and stage an argument to get more people riled up.

I hit quote instead of edit.. oops

I added an extra opinion to my original post.

what would my other account be? Interested to find out

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So instead of screwing up the cap for RFAs and angering GMs they screwed up the actual money for this RFA angering a GM. I guess babysteps?

The entire contract was centered around Carolina not being a have-team with the ability to spend to and beyond the cap. It's a team that has recently spent around 55M-60M a year now being forced to spend 23M on one player in 366 days, and, should their be a lockout, forced to pay him through that. This was not a contract that Carolina was at all thrilled to match. Especially when they gave away Lindholm and Hanifin because they weren't willing to cave into their contract demands, this was a hard pill to swallow if ultimately an obvious decision.

And gets him to UFA as soon as possible.

That's a major ouchie too.

[Stay Golden]

It would be something if the NHL and NHLPA showed some teeth & agreed that the team making the OS should lose their next drafts 1st round pick to the RFA's team regardless if they sign or not. I could see a team unfairly & being methodical putting another team in cap hell with a ridiculous offer.
An offer sheet should come at a heavier cost on the team that has launched it and the RFA's team should be rewarded for bring forced into a contract that they did not create.

Teams bringing forth an offer sheet would think long and hard about really moving forward with one. The NHLPA would cry about this I'm sure.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Wow.

That has to be the worst take on offer sheets I've ever read.

A team signing an offer sheet has done nothing that should require anycost other than what is in the contract. They are bound by its terms, because that is what they agreed to. And no one is forcing the other team into any contract - they have the option not to match if they don't agree to the terms.

Moreover, I don't think I have ever heard anyone suggest that we need fewer offer sheets, as if disincentivizing anything interesting from happening is a good idea.

The player is a FREE AGENT. He can sign with whoever he likes. Anyone should be free to sign him. That is what free agency means. Any GM who is "angry" about this process is simply a moron.

Just a horrible post.

[Oling_Roachinen]

To be fair, we do need a method to curb the amount of offersheets teams are handing out. Penalizing the teams giving them out is the only way to prevent this epidemic. It's getting ridiculous, a full one offersheet in six years now?

At this rate we might even see more than one offersheet not-matched in 25 years.

[jayswin]

His response to offer sheets was like America's response to Muslims - Bad **** happening all over, most of it statistically way worse than ISIS, but they're different and bad, so we need to put all resources into stopping them!!!

[jeffman]

Hey Bergevin

NSFW!

[Roof-Daddy]

Can Bergevin please sign Tkachuk to an offer sheet next at about $7-7.5 million per so Tre can quickly match it and we don't have to wait all summer for him to sign?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

It would be something if the NHL and NHLPA showed some teeth & agreed that the team making the OS should lose their next drafts 1st round pick to the RFA's team regardless if they sign or not. I could see a team unfairly & being methodical putting another team in cap hell with a ridiculous offer.
An offer sheet should come at a heavier cost on the team that has launched it and the RFA's team should be rewarded for bring forced into a contract that they did not create.

Teams bringing forth an offer sheet would think long and hard about really moving forward with one. The NHLPA would cry about this I'm sure.

Don’t you listen to these critics. I like your idea. In fact, I have no problem telling this to an offer sheet’s face.

Last time I met an offer sheet it shook my hand and I said so Offer Sheet in what way are you going to meddle with a contract negotiation this year?
It pretty much glared at me before answer.
Then I said was going into the offer with only a first, and second, and a third the plan Offer Sheet.
I was pleased that it irritated it.
I didn't let it reply and said what do you think all the fans are here to be all kissy kissy.
I don't like Offer Sheets and I make no bones about it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Don’t you listen to these critics. I like your idea. In fact, I have no problem telling this to an offer sheet’s face.

Last time I met an offer sheet it shook my hand and I said so Offer Sheet in what way are you going to meddle with a contract negotiation this year?
It pretty much glared at me before answer.
Then I said was going into the offer with only a first, and second, and a third the plan Offer Sheet.
I was pleased that it irritated it.
I didn't let it reply and said what do you think all the fans are here to be all kissy kissy.
I don't like Offer Sheets and I make no bones about it.

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[doncherry]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

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Indeed

[DeluxeMoustache]

On the topics of second logins ... Netminder?

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Don’t you listen to these critics. I like your idea. In fact, I have no problem telling this to an offer sheet’s face.

Last time I met an offer sheet it shook my hand and I said so Offer Sheet in what way are you going to meddle with a contract negotiation this year?
It pretty much glared at me before answer.
Then I said was going into the offer with only a first, and second, and a third the plan Offer Sheet.
I was pleased that it irritated it.
I didn't let it reply and said what do you think all the fans are here to be all kissy kissy.
I don't like Offer Sheets and I make no bones about it.

I married an Offer sheet and we have 3 kids together.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

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The NHLPA would cry about this I'm sure.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Can Bergevin please sign Tkachuk to an offer sheet next at about $7-7.5 million per so Tre can quickly match it and we don't have to wait all summer for him to sign?

The problem will be the term. Tkachuk wants a term that takes him right to UFA. Treliving wants either a longer term or a shorter term with less AAV.

An offer sheet with the UFA term at, say $8.5M, is not in Calgary’s best interests, as it gives Tkachuk the term and the AAV. The Matthews contract. It’s what Marner wants.

Make no mistake, Carolina matched, but this is no where close to the contract they wanted , mostly because of the term..


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[Erick Estrada]

I personally think there should be more offer sheets. I don't understand why more GM's use this as if you are a team without an elite center it is absolutely worth four 1st round picks to get that elite center for all of his prime years. These same GM's have absolutely no issues giving big term and money for the last few years of a UFA players prime and all of his decline years which to me is kind of dumb as the NHL seems to be the worst professional sport when it comes to paying top dollar for past performance.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

...Make no mistake, Carolina matched, but this is no where close to the contract they wanted , mostly because of the term..


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Yes, but I’m willing to bet Aho signed this particular deal because he knew that the Hurricanes would not hesitate to match.


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I personally think there should be more offer sheets. I don't understand why more GM's use this as if you are a team without an elite center it is absolutely worth four 1st round picks to get that elite center for all of his prime years. These same GM's have absolutely no issues giving big term and money for the last few years of a UFA players prime and all of his decline years which to me is kind of dumb as the NHL seems to be the worst professional sport when it comes to paying top dollar for past performance.

You have no argument from me about the stupidity of UFA, but it’s still a huge risk for teams to tender these high-end offer sheets. Even for a #1 centre, there are no guarantees. Pretend for a moment that the Oilers has not won the 2015 draft lottery, and then out of desperation offer-sheeted Connor McDavid last year, and got him. The team would still be a tire fire with no hope for improvement in sight, but now also without four first-round draft picks, and the most expensive contract in the NHL to pay over all those years of mediocrity.

I think the risk is still why GMs are still so hesitant to do this.


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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You have no argument from me about the stupidity of UFA, but it’s still a huge risk for teams to tender these high-end offer sheets. Even for a #1 centre, there are no guarantees. Pretend for a moment that the Oilers has not won the 2015 draft lottery, and then out of desperation offer-sheeted Connor McDavid last year, and got him. The team would still be a tire fire with no hope for improvement in sight, but now also without four first-round draft picks, and the most expensive contract in the NHL to pay over all those years of mediocrity.

I think the risk is still why GMs are still so hesitant to do this.


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I think the risk is out of the GM hands. I know they should have “full rein” to do what they have to without ownership meddling. But in my opinion that should not extend to draft picks that are 3, 4, & 5 years out. Anyone could be GM by then... anything could happen by then! There is so much future risk involved.

[ricardodw]

EW Contract Projections: 2019 has Bennett @ 3x2.8

a 3x4 offer sheet takes him to UFA and would cost a 2nd round pick.

Flames match and then all of the sudden they don't have cap space to match a 5x7.5 for Tkachuk.

Bennett at 4M would be an outstanding UFA acquisition.