[Rumour] Kadri used his NTC to nix a trade to the Flames involving TJ Brodie

[Red]

So many interpretations on what small market is.

Small market Flames means that the Flames have a small amount of potential fans near by. Nothing to do with budgets or canada/usa.

Buffalo is not small market as many suggest. They are low payroll, but they are in a large market.

Vancouver is not small market. They have the entire pacific Canada and NW USA for fan base. Nothing else around.

Calgary and Edmonton are small markets. Small cities with not much around, Red Deer and Lethbridge are smaller than some neighbourhoods in NE US.

Toronto and Montreal are large markets.

Even Colorado is a "small-ish" market. They are bigger than Calgary, but not by much.

Are large markets more desirable? You would have to think so because of Jersey sales. But not sure how much players care about that part.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by nik-

It means we're a podunk town and it's not like we have a history of success to draw people here.

And no "mountains are close and X days of sunshine" doesn't matter. These are young multi, multi millionaires. Calgary is boring as #### AND you're recognized while eating/shopping/driving constantly.

How exciting a city is has little value to most of these players in my opinion. Regardless of how much money guys have in their early 20s, a dude's number one objective is getting laid. Number two is probably winning at Fortnite these days.

I doubt a young hockey playing millionaire from some backwater town in Saskatchewan/Finland/Minnesota is hoping to end up in NYC so he can spend off days going to the Met or the Guggenheim. Heck, going to museums instead of bar hopping with teammates was seen as a flaw in Dougie's character.

Even if some of these guys want to be the Wilt Chamberlain of hockey, they can probably do that just as easily in Calgary as they can in NY or LA.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

How exciting a city is has little value to most of these players in my opinion. Regardless of how much money guys have in their early 20s, a dude's number one objective is getting laid. Number two is probably winning at Fortnite these days.

I doubt a young hockey playing millionaire from some backwater town in Saskatchewan/Finland/Minnesota is hoping to end up in NYC so he can spend off days going to the Met or the Guggenheim. Heck, going to museums instead of bar hopping with teammates was seen as a flaw in Dougie's character.

Even if some of these guys want to be the Wilt Chamberlain of hockey, they can probably do that just as easily in Calgary as they can in NY or LA.

Yeah, this is probably not accurate. If the money is in the same ballpark, the better city wins.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Sports organisations aside, the NHL cities desirability to live in for young millionaires is probably ranked like this:

Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa, Winnipeg and Edmonton. For people with no attachments to any of these cities, its easy to understand why some are more desirable then others.

I’d say it’s more like this.

Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
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Calgary
Ottawa(only below Calgary cause of the ownership)
Winnipeg/Edmonton

The reality is Calgary is on the bottom of the pack in the NHL unfortunately for players to want to play. As mentioned if any player does have a no trade list, you can bet with no uncertainty Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa will be on it. As well as Buffalo. Having several contacts in the league via players and agents/orgs this is absolutely true.

I don’t fault any player for not wanting to play in Calgary. It is what it is. It’s not a personal diss by any stretch. It’s just a preference held by a player. I know if I was a NHL player I wouldn’t want to play in any Canadian city other than Toronto/Montreal or Vancouver either.

That is why the key for places like Calgary and Edmonton etc, drafting is so important. Draft well, treat them and develop them properly so you can hold their rights for x number of years. Before they decide they want to move elsewhere when they become UFA.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I’d say it’s more like this.

Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
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Calgary
Ottawa(only below Calgary cause of the ownership)
Winnipeg/Edmonton

The reality is Calgary is on the bottom of the pack in the NHL unfortunately for players to want to play. As mentioned if any player does have a no trade list, you can bet with no uncertainty Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa will be on it. As well as Buffalo.

I don’t fault any player for not wanting to play in Calgary. It is what it is. It’s not a personal diss by any stretch. It’s just a preference held by a player. I know if I was a NHL player I wouldn’t want to play in any city other than Toronto/Montreal or Vancouver either.

That is why the key for places like Calgary and Edmonton etc, drafting is so important.

You don't see it like this?

Toronto/Vancouver/Montreal
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Calgary/Ottawa
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Winnipeg
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Edmonton

[dino7c]

Kadri didn't want to move at all so why waive? from his stand point he negotiated it into his contract...was probably butt hurt they were trying to move him at all so wasn't going to help them do it.

And yeah, I wouldn't play in Canada at all...just look at us

JG puts up 99 ####ing points and all social media talks about is what a wimp he is because he didn't lay out guys twice his size in the playoffs.

Jaybo wasn't good enough to play D for the Flames (yet good enough for the greatest D ever assembled)

ect. ect.

McDavid skipped the skills comp and had to audacity to drive around in his car that day making front page news
Marner is a big ####### for wanting the same deal guys he outscored on his own team just got

F that, go to Florida "oh you play for the Panthers, thats cool...see ya later"

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You don't see it like this?

Toronto/Vancouver/Montreal
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Calgary/Ottawa
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Winnipeg
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Edmonton

As a Flames fan sure I’d like to see it that way, the reality is though Calgary Winnipeg Ottawa and Edmonton are all not cities for most players who have a choice to play. It’s the lesser of evils according to many players. If Edmonton is on a players list, guarantee Calgary, Winnipeg and Ottawa are on it too. Or for example if Winnipeg is on a list, so will the others.

Now I’m sure if player has a one team no trade list and has to choose between Calgary or Edmonton then sure Edmonton may be on it first. Truth of the matter is, Calgary is on most players no trade lists. Just like the other cities mentioned.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri didn't want to move at all so why waive?

NTC to 10 teams only.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

How exciting a city is has little value to most of these players in my opinion. Regardless of how much money guys have in their early 20s, a dude's number one objective is getting laid. Number two is probably winning at Fortnite these days.

I doubt a young hockey playing millionaire from some backwater town in Saskatchewan/Finland/Minnesota is hoping to end up in NYC so he can spend off days going to the Met or the Guggenheim. Heck, going to museums instead of bar hopping with teammates was seen as a flaw in Dougie's character.

Even if some of these guys want to be the Wilt Chamberlain of hockey, they can probably do that just as easily in Calgary as they can in NY or LA.

NYC has a little more to offer than just nice museums. Especially if you have money.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri didn't want to move at all so why waive? from his stand point he negotiated it into his contract...was probably butt hurt they were trying to move him at all so wasn't going to help them do it.

And yeah, I wouldn't play in Canada at all...just look at us

JG puts up 99 ####ing points and all social media talks about is what a wimp he is because he didn't lay out guys twice his size in the playoffs.

Jaybo wasn't good enough to play D for the Flames (yet good enough for the greatest D ever assembled)

ect. ect.

McDavid skipped the skills comp and had to audacity to drive around in his car that day making front page news
Marner is a big ####### for wanting the same deal guys he outscored on his own team just got

F that, go to Florida "oh you play for the Panthers, thats cool...see ya later"

Toughen up buttercup. You get paid between $700k and $12.5M to swat a rubber disc around for between 5 and 25 mins, 82 times over 7 months.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri didn't want to move at all so why waive? from his stand point he negotiated it into his contract...was probably butt hurt they were trying to move him at all so wasn't going to help them do it.

And yeah, I wouldn't play in Canada at all...just look at us

JG puts up 99 ####ing points and all social media talks about is what a wimp he is because he didn't lay out guys twice his size in the playoffs.

Jaybo wasn't good enough to play D for the Flames (yet good enough for the greatest D ever assembled)

ect. ect.

McDavid skipped the skills comp and had to audacity to drive around in his car that day making front page news
Marner is a big ####### for wanting the same deal guys he outscored on his own team just got

F that, go to Florida "oh you play for the Panthers, thats cool...see ya later"

Yeah....that didn't happen

[AC]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah....that didn't happen

Social media, not media. It is definitely a common sentiment among many of the crappy fans I see on Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, etc.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Red

So many interpretations on what small market is.

Small market Flames means that the Flames have a small amount of potential fans near by. Nothing to do with budgets or canada/usa.

Buffalo is not small market as many suggest. They are low payroll, but they are in a large market.

Vancouver is not small market. They have the entire pacific Canada and NW USA for fan base. Nothing else around.

Calgary and Edmonton are small markets. Small cities with not much around, Red Deer and Lethbridge are smaller than some neighbourhoods in NE US.

Toronto and Montreal are large markets.

Even Colorado is a "small-ish" market. They are bigger than Calgary, but not by much.

Are large markets more desirable? You would have to think so because of Jersey sales. But not sure how much players care about that part.

Buffalo is not a large market, it's the New York state city that is never awake.

Buffalo population:

City- 257,000
Metro - 1,130,000

Calgary population:

City- 1,240,000
Metro - 1,394,000

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by AC

Social media, not media. It is definitely a common sentiment among many of the crappy fans I see on Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, etc.

I stand corrected.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by AC

Social media, not media. It is definitely a common sentiment among many of the crappy fans I see on Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, etc.

It's actually amazing, talking to people that only watch a few games a year, how often talk of how they should trade Gaudreau comes up

[transplant99]

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Toughen up buttercup. You get paid between $700k and $12.5M to swat a rubber disc around for between 5 and 25 mins, 82 times over 7 months.

So you might as well do it in a place with lower taxes and all of the benefits that come with living in a major American city.

Laughable that anyone would think the only difference between NYC and Calgary is the museums. The two are not even in the same stratosphere of QoL for well-off professional athletes.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I’d say it’s more like this.

Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Calgary
Ottawa(only below Calgary cause of the ownership)
Winnipeg/Edmonton

The reality is Calgary is on the bottom of the pack in the NHL unfortunately for players to want to play. As mentioned if any player does have a no trade list, you can bet with no uncertainty Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary and Ottawa will be on it. As well as Buffalo. Having several contacts in the league via players and agents/orgs this is absolutely true.

I don’t fault any player for not wanting to play in Calgary. It is what it is. It’s not a personal diss by any stretch. It’s just a preference held by a player. I know if I was a NHL player I wouldn’t want to play in any Canadian city other than Toronto/Montreal or Vancouver either.

That is why the key for places like Calgary and Edmonton etc, drafting is so important. Draft well, treat them and develop them properly so you can hold their rights for x number of years. Before they decide they want to move elsewhere when they become UFA.

That will change if they stay near the top of the west again and manage a run in the POs.

There's appeal for any team looking primed to win.

[btimbit]

Not every player is like that though. There are lots of players, even just in the ones I know personally, that much prefer the smaller markets. Not even just because there's less pressure like the media likes to say, but because they prefer that lifestyle. They all travel so much anyway it really matters less to players then people make it seem

Kind of like how I can't wait to move out of Calgary to a smaller town, not everyone wants to live in cities, hockey players are no different. It's likely a minority, though, sure

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That will change if they stay near the top of the west again and manage a run in the POs.



There's appeal for any team looking primed to win.

Winnipeg had a similar story the year prior and it did nothing to help their case. There are plenty of good teams in the NHL for players to go and potentially sign discounts to play for.