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dissentowner · 02-25-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

How about $100 bet that Tampa nor Boston will win the cup. Such a ####ty mentality you have.. why even watch sports or the rest of the season?

Because I think TB and Boston are the best teams? Then again, given the source I am not offended at all. This about the quality of post we have come to expect from you.

Duffalufagus · 02-25-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yup. That is how I feel.

I wish we bolstered the line-up, but I am also happy we didn't give anything up. We would have had to overpay for Stone big time.

I am a little worried that teams around us improved on paper, but paper is not the ice.

Agree. That Stone contract is too much and I am glad we did not pay it.

It is also undeniable that everyone in our way got better today. The playoff road is harder than it was 24 hrs ago.

Philly06Cup · 02-25-2019, 02:23 PM

Anyone watch the NHL network TDL feed?

EJ Hradek reported there that Simmonds to Calgary trade was in place, but Simmonds wouldn't waive his No-trade for Calgary

https://www.reddit.com/r/Flyers/comm...d_simmonds_to/

dissentowner · 02-25-2019, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

That's a little harsh

Meh

keenan87 · 02-25-2019, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because I think TB and Boston are the best teams? Then again, given the source I am not offended at all. This about the quality of post we have come to expect from you.

Last time I checked, the Lightning and Flames are the top 2 teams in the league. You stated what you were saying as fact not opinion. As I said, losing mentality... hoping you have a more positive outlook on stuff outside of sports in your life though, never give up!

heep223 · 02-25-2019, 02:25 PM

It's on the players to see standing pat as a vote of confidence, as opposed to seeing it as management thinking they're not ready to go deep. They could see it either way.

Samonadreau · 02-25-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Agree. That Stone contract is too much and I am glad we did not pay it.

It is also undeniable that everyone in our way got better today. The playoff road is harder than it was 24 hrs ago.

This just in..... Playoff teams made trades for players on Deadline day!

dissentowner · 02-25-2019, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

Last time I checked, the Lightning and Flames are the top 2 teams in the league. You stated what you were saying as fact not opinion. As I said, losing mentality... hoping you have a more positive outlook on stuff outside of sports in your life though

Ok, so because I don't think this our year I shouldn't cheer for the team? So by your logic you believed the Flames would win the Cup last year at this time right? Oh wait, you didn't? Then what are you doing here? Shouldn't you have quit the team last year? It is possible to hope for the team to do well while predicting they are not good enough yet to win it all. My outlook on life is fine but realistic, I am not going to think I am going to win Lottomax every Friday.

memphusk · 02-25-2019, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Anyone watch the NHL network TDL feed?

EJ Hradek reported there that Simmonds to Calgary trade was in place, but Simmonds wouldn't waive his No-trade for Calgary

https://www.reddit.com/r/Flyers/comm...d_simmonds_to/

You just get the feeling he doesn't want to play anywhere in Canada.

spotthefan · 02-25-2019, 02:29 PM

All I gotta say is: Chris Simon, Ville Nieminen, Marcus Nilson.

These were not big names but ones that rounded out the team. We have a well rounded team on most nights that can beat anyone in the league.

It is sad we didn't get the excitement but as Zuccarello showed and numerous years of failed deadline acquisitions show, they can be a big flop and have no impact.

Spinach · 02-25-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buff

This is our first year of contending. How good are we? We're good, but we're young with not much playoff experience. Why sell all of our good picks and prospects for players who may or may not help us this year?

Why don't we trust this team that has us in 2nd place overall and find out what we have and what we need for playoff success? Once we're in the playoffs, Treliving will have a better idea on how ready some of the younger players are and make adjustments in the off season when trade prices aren't as high.

If we keep remaining a top contender then we start making more deadline deals.

Absolutely. Well put.
Treliving & co. need more information, not to mention obtaining more assets through this year's draft, before making huge gambles.

That said, I'm a little unsure as to why they didn't make a smaller gamble on a guy like Nyqvist. At first blush it seems they could have beaten the price the Sharks paid if some B-type forward prospects were included instead of a 2nd-rounder. Maybe the Wings and other teams weren't interested in what Treliving was offering.

Johnhitbox · 02-25-2019, 02:30 PM

The way I see it, in my opinion. The flames have been a little mediocre for the past month and maybe a trade would have lit the fire a little. Not saying move important pieces either.

keenan87 · 02-25-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so because I don't think this our year I shouldn't cheer for the team? So by your logic you believed the Flames would win the Cup last year at this time right? Oh wait, you didn't? Then what are you doing here? Shouldn't you have quit the team last year? It is possible to hope for the team to do well while predicting they are not good enough yet to win it all.

You stated that Tampa is going to win.. if not, then Boston. All the western teams are wasting their time. How can you be so sure?

As I said, too many posters are pretty much giving the cup to Tampa and I don't think they will win the cup. Maybe I was a bit harsh and I do apologize.

Maybe I have a different perspective. Why buy lottomax if you don't think you can win? If you dont think you are going to win, dont buy it at all.

sa226 · 02-25-2019, 02:33 PM

We really need to stay in first in the division.

Im not concerned about Vegas or SJ past the first round. But it would be favourable for one of those teams to take the other out.

I doubt Vegas will fall into a WC spot but they are closer to the WC then they are to second in the division.

dissentowner · 02-25-2019, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

You stated that Tampa is going to win.. if not, then Boston. All the western teams are wasting their time. How can you be so sure?

As I said, too many posters are pretty much giving the cup to Tampa and I don't think they will win the cup.

Because I think those two teams are the best in the NHL right now, especially TB. The Flames are not there yet and that is ok. Even another year of development and some playoff experience will do wonders for this group. There is plenty of time for this group and not wanting the other Western teams to win after blowing some youth for rentals is actually a very positive thing as a Flames fan. It is ok to play Lottomax, it is not ok to buy Lottomax and base your plans on the certainty you will win.

keenan87 · 02-25-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because I think those two teams are the best in the NHL right now, especially TB. The Flames are not there yet and that is ok. Even another year of development and some playoff experience will do wonders for this group. There is plenty of time for this group and not wanting the other Western teams to win after blowing some youth for rentals is actually a very positive thing as a Flames fan. It is ok to play Lottomax, it is not ok to buy Lottomax and base your plans on the certainty you will win.

Fair enough. Maybe I uunderstood your OP wrong. It was more towards the fans on here giving up on even trying because Tampa is going to win.

CGY12 · 02-25-2019, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I didn't say anything about him not wanting to come to Calgary. It was reported yesterday that he was very interested in playing in SJ, and has a connection with Erik Karlsson. Who knows if he would have waived to come to Calgary, but reports seemed pretty unanimous that he was most eager to be in SJ.

I wasn't aware of this. Too bad, I thought he would have been perfect fit with Backlund and Chucky.

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They are the second highest scoring team in the NHL, and boast one of the youngest cores. They didn't really "need" to upgrade anything. An upgrade would have been nice, but not at all costs. And as mentioned a few times already the biggest deals made on TD Day are very seldom the ones that make the biggest difference in the playoffs. Last year Tampa mad a massive deal for Ryan McDonnaugh, and they were beaten by the Washington Capitals, who made a minor deal for Michal Kempny.

I would say the only time teams should be scolded for their failures to make big deals on this day are the occasions when they need to: Ottawa
HAD to make big deals today; Columbus likewise HAD to make a big push. The Flames did not.

I fully understand this and it wasn't so much they didn't make a deal today. I'm talking in general leading up, the hole on the 2nd line is significant IMO. I thought it was something that needed to be filled in order to have a true shot at the cup. Frolik is not the answer in a playoff series against the western conference heavyweights.

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I think this is pretty spot-on.

dissentowner · 02-25-2019, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

Fair enough. Maybe I uunderstood your OP wrong. It was more towards the fans on here giving up on even trying because Tampa is going to win.

No, it was more of a shot at the other west teams spending. I am sure the frog disagrees with me. He has the Flames winning it all

rohara66 · 02-25-2019, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spotthefan

All I gotta say is: Chris Simon, Ville Nieminen, Marcus Nilson.

These were not big names but ones that rounded out the team. We have a well rounded team on most nights that can beat anyone in the league.

It is sad we didn't get the excitement but as Zuccarello showed and numerous years of failed deadline acquisitions show, they can be a big flop and have no impact.

When the Flames acquired those 3 players they had zero depth and weren't really even that good (on paper).

getbak · 02-25-2019, 02:40 PM

Treliving on Sportsnet 960 confirms that they did a paper transaction with Lazar so he can be sent down to the AHL (he remains with the team for now). All other players on the roster are in Calgary for the duration.

This also leaves the Flames with 3 non-emergency recalls until the end of the AHL season. Valimaki will likely be one at some point.