[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It would be stacked up front. It would be depleted in the back end.

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Hamonic
Valimaki Stone

I'd be ok moving forward with that for next few years. Maybe make a small signing for a veteran D.

I feel like at some point you have to roll the dice a little and hope things pan out. It does feel like we would be going all in a little early but if it gives the team 2-4 years of really going for it I think you have a pretty good shot at a cup. Who really knows what happens beyond that with Gio aging and Johnny and Monahan being UFA.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At Sam Bennett's age here was Mark Stone's NHL stat line:

64GP
14G
17A

or pro-rated for 82 GP
18G
22A


Sure doesn't sound like he was a star player at Sam Bennett's age. Those are support player numbers.

But naw, players don't develop. They are what they are at 22 and 248 days old.

LOL...you may want to recheck that. Not even close.
In his first full year in the NHL, Stone had 26 goals and 64 points.

He has averaged 60 points a season since then.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At Sam Bennett's age here was Mark Stone's NHL stat line:

64GP
14G
17A

or pro-rated for 82 GP
18G
22A


Sure doesn't sound like he was a star player at Sam Bennett's age. Those are support player numbers.

But naw, players don't develop. They are what they are at 22 and 248 days old.

Fair enough, but he'd better have it figured it out by 22 years and 305 days old, cause that really is the cut off for me.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At Sam Bennett's age here was Mark Stone's NHL stat line:

64GP
14G
17A

or pro-rated for 82 GP
18G
22A


Sure doesn't sound like he was a star player at Sam Bennett's age. Those are support player numbers.
But naw, players don't develop. They are what they are at 22 and 248 days old.

When Stone was 22 did he not have 64 pts in 80 gp, or am I missing what you were trying to say?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At 22-248 that was his career statline I posted.

A little rigged. First, he never played an NHL season at that age. Second, most of those 248 days were in the offseason.

[kukkudo]

We really comparing Stone to Bennett haha

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A little rigged. First, he never played an NHL season at that age. Second, most of those 248 days were in the offseason.

Not rigged. Fact.

And how is a player who hasn't played an NHL season at that age a star?

You're kind of missing the point.

Stone blew up after he was the age Bennett is now. He doesn't get a free pass for being in the AHL as a 21yo.

He's a star now, he wasn't a star at 22years, 248 days old.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Hamonic
Valimaki Stone

I'd be ok moving forward with that for next few years. Maybe make a small signing for a veteran D.

I feel like at some point you have to roll the dice a little and hope things pan out. It does feel like we would be going all in a little early but if it gives the team 2-4 years of really going for it I think you have a pretty good shot at a cup. Who really knows what happens beyond that with Gio aging and Johnny and Monahan being UFA.

It's the bare minimum for depth though. Stone is still a question mark health wise, too. And I'm expecting some sophomore issues for Valimaki and Andersson.

Not saying it's not a fantastic looking team when healthy and assuming the kids can play D on a decent progression.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At 22-248 that was his career statline I posted.

LOL, what a joke.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by timbit

LOL, what a joke.

Why? He didn't play in those games?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not rigged. Fact.

And how is a player who hasn't played an NHL season at that age a star?

You're kind of missing the point.

Stone blew up after he was the age Bennett is now. He doesn't get a free pass for being in the AHL as a 21yo.

He's a star now, he wasn't a star at 22years, 248 days old.

He blew up that very season. I guess Bennett will finish out the season like Stone played 14-15?

And Stone absolutely gets credit for being a rookie at age 21. Like Gaudreau does. A rookie is a rookie. Bennett was busy getting NHL minutes then and didn't develop very quickly at all.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/JMarshyBo...44913458958336

This guy was right about Foo and Jagr

Surprised people get duped by accounts like this. This guy wasn't right about Foo or Jagr he took information that was already in the rumour mill then threw his hat in the ring.

Similar to this

from what I’m told it would only work in a sign & trade

From what he's been told and what's been known for days already.

But it seems to fool people so good for him

[timbit]

If Sam Bennett scores 60 plus points in any of the next 5 seasons, I’ll apologize.

Never mind, Stone being one of the best defensive wingers in the NHL, as well.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Why? He didn't play in those games?

I agree that Bennett can still develop. But if you’ve played 300 games compared to Stones 0, the guy with 0 probably has a lot more room to grow. He instantly made an impact in the NHL. Bennett may yet. I don’t want him traded, but if it came down to it. I’d make the deal.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's the bare minimum for depth though. Stone is still a question mark health wise, too. And I'm expecting some sophomore issues for Valimaki and Andersson.

Not saying it's not a fantastic looking team when healthy and assuming the kids can play D on a decent progression.

A dynamic offense is a must to win the Cup though. I can't think of any team in the last 20 years who didn't have a high powered offense. I can think of teams with average defenses though. Which is why I think adding another top scorer in the league would completely change the dynamic of the team.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He blew up that very season. I guess Bennett will finish out the season like Stone played 14-15?

Probably not, since Calgary's roster is far deeper than the 14-15 sens and the opportunity won't likely be there barring injuries.

But New Era's schtick of pretending Bennett's hit his ceiling is ridiculous. It's not absurd to think he has untapped upside.

[GioforPM]

Fun fact, Sergei Makarov had zero NHL points at age 22.

[LWcrowfoot]

Rigged might be a harsh word, twisted beyond any recognition is a gentler phrase.

Completely abritray labels like "star" don't matter. Mark Stone was a star all season if throughout that season he put up 20+ goals and 60+ points. So 22 years and 150 days? That might make more sense. Mind you the Senators didn't make it out of the first round that year, so season ended before May... now we've got to eliminate the summer days. 22 years plus 60 days?

Here is the way you should actually put it, without getting so convoluted.

Sam Bennett age 22 (on pace)
15 goals 31 points (third line)

Mark Stone age 22
26 goals 64 points (first line)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Probably not, since Calgary's roster is far deeper than the 14-15 sens and the opportunity won't likely be there barring injuries.

But New Era's schtick of pretending Bennett's hit his ceiling is ridiculous. It's not absurd to think he has untapped upside.

Calgary's roster is deeper. Not by as much as you think. That team had 5 20 goal scorers. And Ryan was 2 off of that. 2 years later they went to round 3.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fun fact, Sergei Makarov had zero NHL points at age 22.

Yeah. He was a two point a game player in the Russian Elite League at 22 though.