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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Ever heard of the phrase “the straw that broke the camels back”

Yeah
I don’t see the relevance here
Do we have any indication Sam is unhappy? Or are we just making stuff up?
What are the other straws?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

The right shot left shot thing is not stupid. It is simply an important part of the decision. To just toss it out as "stupid" is naive.
Bennett has received ample opportunity. Let's not suddenly paint him as a victim when quite frankly he has NOT played well enough consistently.
That's on him.
Jeepers - folks REALLY have a hard time holding the players accountable. Far easier to just blame the coach.

Yes it is, plenty of great players buck this stupid old fashioned trend including Kucherov, Voracek and Patrick Kane. when Stamkos plays the wing he plays LW and he scores a tonne of one timer goals from there.

After watching Gaudreau play a lot of RW at the worlds I've been clamoring to see him there, on the PP he's deadly there but our dumbass coach doesn't see it because he shoots left.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

So we are ignoring the young players that have excelled under the coach?
This team is proving it can effectively develop players just look at the number of home grown guys on the roster and in core spots

Tkatchuk is showing he's a true budding star... His hockey maturity is clear and having grown up in nhl locker rooms probably helps a lot along the way.

I'm not willing to give Gulutzan credit for any one else. This team has consistently performed less than the sum of its parts.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Jankowski
Kulak
Ferland
Rittich

What young guys apart from Sam have struggled?

Are we agreeing that those guys are thriving?

I would say level of thriving is relative. Pasternak in Boston is thriving. Gourde and point in Tampa are thriving

[calbow]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

That may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard...

Didn’t hear them talking about moving lomberg around all four lines to familiarize him with the guys!

Just stating what was talked about but Yeah,I hear ya...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Tkatchuk is showing he's a true budding star... His hockey maturity is clear and having grown up in nhl locker rooms probably helps a lot along the way.

I'm not willing to give Gulutzan credit for any one else. This team has consistently performed less than the sum of its parts.

None of the credit all of the blame
As I suspected

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Are we agreeing that those guys are thriving?

I would say level of thriving is relative. Pasternak in Boston is thriving. Gourde and point in Tampa are thriving

Have they all not made clear steps this year?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Ever heard of the phrase “the straw that broke the camels back”

You seem very concerned about Bennett's feelings. Do have information others don't? I see he's in your avatar. Is there a connection?

For the record, I like Bennett, I think he will be good. I think he will get his shot again, probably within the next two games. He also has the same number of goals as Stewart. One more point. In way more games.

I was as surprised as anyone, but it's not some big slight against Bennett, it's not going to destroy him mentally, and it's going to be short term.

[monkeyman]

Jankowski looked good until he was Gulutzanized. Too much time learning his "System" and he's indecisive, unsure of where to go, where to put the puck, and where his team mates are going to be.
GG=NG

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Jankowski looked good until he was Gulutzanized. Too much time learning his "System" and he's indecisive, unsure of where to go, where to put the puck, and where his team mates are going to be.
GG=NG

What a load. Jankowski played well in the preseason, got off to a slow start when he arrived, clicked with Jagr, slid some like any rookie, and has picked it up a lot lately, with lots more responsibilities. Did you miss his shorty against Arizona?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

None of the credit all of the blame
As I suspected

Yup. Gulutzan sucks. Tonight was another example of a guy trying to be the smartest guy in the room by throwing Chris Stewart on the first line.

What are you giving Gulutzan credit for? 9th place team? Bad pp most of the year? Bad pk? Bad home team? Brutal goal differential, for any kind of playoff /bubble team?

That while having a pretty healthy year, a top 5 forward, excellent goaltending.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Yup. Gulutzan sucks. Tonight was another example of a guy trying to be the smartest guy in the room by throwing Chris Stewart on the first line.

What a pity he didn't have you in the room, with your obvious qualifications to be the smartest guy in his place.

What are you giving Gulutzan credit for?

If Gulutzan deserves no credit for anything that goes right, why does he deserve blame for every single thing that goes wrong?

Contrary to the consensus among the noisier participants in CP game threads, he's not actually the boogeyman.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What a pity he didn't have you in the room, with your obvious qualifications to be the smartest guy in his place.



If Gulutzan deserves no credit for anything that goes right, why does he deserve blame for every single thing that goes wrong?

Contrary to the consensus among the noisier participants in CP game threads, he's not actually the boogeyman.

I'm not suggesting to be the smartest guy in the room. I mean, traditional wisdom likely would assume putting a 3rd/4th line guy that's basically waiver fodder, somewhere on your 3rd/4th line.

What exactly has gone right by the way? Smith being good, Gaudreau being good, tkatchuk being good. I don't believe Gulutzan has really done much to set the table for those guys (my opinion). They are just upper echelon players.

You haven't shared your opinion on what great things Gulutzan has done that more cpers should be applauding about and crediting the coaching staff for.

Please do tell..

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

You haven't shared your opinion on what great things Gulutzan has done that more cpers should be applauding about and crediting the coaching staff for.

Please do tell..

I don't believe he's done anything great. But I don't blame him for everything that goes wrong, either. I see a lot of people desperate to blame Gulutzan because they refuse to accept that the players themselves, as a group, just haven't performed.

Two facts leap out from this team's numbers: They are above average at generating scoring chances, and one of the worst teams in the league at converting those chances into goals. That's on the players – and partly a matter of luck, as several of those players have been shooting far worse than their career percentages.

Though I suppose one could claim that a coach has the power to make professional hockey players worse at shooting the puck. One could also claim that the Apollo landings were faked. With a little effort, I'm sure one could work cattle mutilations in there, too.

[bubbsy]

Lol in that case, last year was more an epiphany then, and perhaps Gulutzan should be getting even less credit for it.

This year is bad luck with poor shooting % and last year it's good luck.

Taking the 2 year body of work, I'd say that even furthers the argument that this is a highly average to sub-average coaching staff in the nhl.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Two facts leap out from this team's numbers: They are above average at generating scoring chances, and one of the worst teams in the league at converting those chances into goals. That's on the players – and partly a matter of luck, as several of those players have been shooting far worse than their career percentages.

Though I suppose one could claim that a coach has the power to make professional hockey players worse at shooting the puck. .

Or perhaps those chances are far inferior to the chances they got when they had higher shooting percentages. I don't think it's a coincidence that everyone except Monahan/Hamilton, two guys who are made for a slower tempo game by shooting through goaltenders has seen their SH% decline from 2016 (So Gaudreau, Bennett, Backlund, Giordano, Frolik ). The only guy who has seen his SH% actually improve is Ferland, and he was a guy who wasn't especially established back then and was essentially a prospect in his first year NHL. We get more "chances" now, but they are in traffic with fewer backdoor seams and defensemen like Brodie and Giordano don't create secondary confusion like they used to for a reason.

Not everything absolves the players of their play, but the clear offensive decline didn't happen from 2015 to 2016 or from 2017 to 2018. It happened from 2016 to 2017, which lines up with the coaching and systems change. And while there was some tangible evidence of improved defensive play in 2016-17, that has not actually been the case this year, as the 2017-18 Flames have almost identical non-goaltending defensive statistics to the 2015-16 Flames, except without the uptempo offense. The 2015-16 Flames were a bottom ten defensive team and a top ten goal scoring team with league worst goaltending. The 2017-18 Flames are a bottom ten defensive team and a bottom ten goal scoring team, but we've gotten outstanding road goaltending masking most of the issues.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Yeah
I don’t see the relevance here
Do we have any indication Sam is unhappy? Or are we just making stuff up?
What are the other straws?

Lol no kidding...we are worried about him not signing? Guy has worse stats than a waiver wire pickup and constantly takes bad penalties. I don't think it's true but I certainly hope Bennett is working on his own game instead of pouting about not being on the top line for two periods.