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dissentowner · 02-25-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

No..I didnt.

I was asking how Okposos salary is a bad one in COMPARISON to a guy we just signed to a longer term who produces less and is less than a year younger.

But in your own words that Okposos' deal isn't very good...then what does that make Backlunds even longer deal?

Really? Backlund is a Selke contending centre. Okposo is an injury prone winger who was the product of playing with an elite centre.

Buff · 02-25-2018, 03:56 PM

So, nobody has mentioned this but maybe Richelle has asked to be traded to the Flames so he can play with Brouwer. In fact I'm sure of it. B5

midniteowl · 02-25-2018, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Now watch Bennett and Kane get traded as part of some package. LOL.

Sorry, but....

GioforPM · 02-25-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeap. IMO the Flames need one more really good top 2 line center.

Janko or Bennett might get there one day but they aren't there now and as a result its a weak spot on the roster.

Signing Tavares as a UFA would be best case (unlikely) scenario but trading for ROR would work just fine for me.

The way the Flames cap is structured his 7.5 million cap hit doesnt really scare me either.

It's not just $7.5 this year though. It's long term. I'd want some retention, not much though. I like ROR and the Flames would have insane centre depth (ROR is also a RH shot for what that's worth).

GranteedEV · 02-25-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

(ROR is also a RH shot for what that's worth).

he shoots left.

transplant99 · 02-25-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

quite honestly the flames are missing 2 middle six forwards.

If there's an option there to grab two forwards from one team in one deal I think that's the natural direction to look if you're Tre.

The Flames have been remarkably fortunate this year in terms of injuries. Imagine how crippling an injury to backlund or Monahan would've been.

If you can get, on paper, a centre lineup of Monahan/O'Reilly/Backlund you can have a dearth of underqualified wingers on the wing. The reason being, in case of a line going cold or there being an injury, you have options for your talented wingers (gaudreau/tkachuk). Not to take anything away from Ferland or Bennett, but we've seen what those guys can do with and without playing those top guys.

If you can nab E. Kane and Oreilly in one deal, you've created a distinct 4 year window in which you can expect your roster to challenge for the non-wildcard spots in their conference.

I don't know what Buffalo is after, but with Phil Housley there maybe they see an emphasis for Fox. If they see Sam Girard potential in him as an example, maybe there isn't a ton of other value needed to secure the deal.

Well said.

Its why I threw out earlier..

Brodie/Bennett/Fox/ + (could be Kylington or Andersson)

For Kane/ROR (salary retained)/McNabb

They address the offensive defensemen issue both now and in the future, Flames get some certainty in ROR and a chance to to extend Kane if they choose all while dealing from an area of strength in the organization.

Then if the cap is an issue next season, it gives BT time to do what he needs to get it in order.

No idea if Botterill is looking to start building his backend or not (should be as its a tire fire), but if he is the Flames are about the best team to start it with. Also no idea how involved Pegula is at this point, and he may veto anything like this.

Gaskal · 02-25-2018, 04:00 PM

I suspect that rather than Fox, the trade discussions from the Flames side are revolving around Andersson.

There's no agreement with NCAA to bridge around, he's of also fairly high pedigree (wasn't he the highest scoring Dman in OHL draft year?) and living up to it so far after solid development years.

Rasmus is also the most NHL ready and would already be a mainstay behind Hamonic were it not for Stone taking up that spot. Can't imagine that the Sabres want something back that wouldn't improve their club for another season or two.

Roof-Daddy · 02-25-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's not just $7.5 this year though. It's long term. I'd want some retention, not much though. I like ROR and the Flames would have insane centre depth (ROR is also a RH shot for what that's worth).

Hes a left shot. Still want him.

GioforPM · 02-25-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hes a left shot. Still want him.

Don't know why I thought that. Looked too quickly I guess.

Bennett, Jankowski and Rasmus for ROR (25% retained), Rasmus and Reinhart.

OldSam · 02-25-2018, 04:05 PM

If I recall correctly, Okoposo does not want to play in Canada. This came up before when he was a free agent. Okoposo is not coming.

dissentowner · 02-25-2018, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSam

If I recall correctly, Okoposo does not want to play in Canada. This came up before when he was a free agent. Okoposo is not coming.

Good

handgroen · 02-25-2018, 04:07 PM

Enoch root might be the most insightful one here. Sorry you got piled on but I would pick a different guy to single out

transplant99 · 02-25-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? Backlund is a Selke contending centre. Okposo is an injury prone winger who was the product of playing with an elite centre.

Again, Okposo has produced at a pace more than Backlund... playing in Buffalo without Tavares. He is a very good hockey player on a really bad hockey team who would fill a huge hole on this team...thats all i am saying.

Oh and Backlund...Selke level last year for sure, not so much this season....in fact i doubt he finishes top 10 in voting, nevermind "elite" level.

Both players have had injury issues, not sure why thats a factor.

But to wrap this up...Im not advocating getting Okposo...but when people call KO a bad player with a brutal contract, I feel for context it should be pointed out we have a guy who is less than a year younger who produces much less offensively that has a slightly cheaper deal for years LONGER than the one people are complaining about.....and that's regardless of his defensive prowess because at 5.3 M for a C you better be good at a lot more than just defense.

I will leave it at that...just my opinion of course.

Cali Panthers Fan · 02-25-2018, 04:12 PM

I don't know why, but I just get a bad vibe from trading for anybody from Buffalo. That team has significant problems, and while I wouldn't blame it on some of their talented players, they certainly haven't been part of the solution either.

It's like trading for anyone from Edmonton. There's probably some bad habits to coach out of them. There may not be an immediate payoff for us.

tkflames · 02-25-2018, 04:17 PM

The last time we had one of these threads with Buffalo, Regehr was leaving town and we were arguing about what top prospects we were getting (Adams was the hope at the time). The thread ended with a lot of disappointment and I would caution people to look at the 3rd and 4th line players on buffalo of value as opposed to the big name players. This team is not scared to fill needs, but expectations of ROR plus will lead to a lot of heartache for fans of a team that needs to think beyond this run in terms of prospect depth and what trade chips we may have at next year's deadline when the team has matured another year and is hopefully ready to be a contender.

Vinny01 · 02-25-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't know why, but I just get a bad vibe from trading for anybody from Buffalo. That team has significant problems, and while I wouldn't blame it on some of their talented players, they certainly haven't been part of the solution either.

It's like trading for anyone from Edmonton. There's probably some bad habits to coach out of them. There may not be an immediate payoff for us.

Edmonton might be a bad example. Several players have left there to flourish elsewhere. Hall, Eberle, Schultz, Dubnyk

Vinny01 · 02-25-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tkflames

The last time we had one of these threads with Buffalo, Regehr was leaving town and we were arguing about what top prospects we were getting (Adams was the hope at the time). The thread ended with a lot of disappointment and I would caution people to look at the 3rd and 4th line players on buffalo of value as opposed to the big name players. This team is not scared to fill needs, but expectations of ROR plus will lead to a lot of heartache for fans of a team that needs to think beyond this run in terms of prospect depth and what trade chips we may have at next year's deadline when the team has matured another year and is hopefully ready to be a contender.

How many Jay Feaster trades gained a positive reaction from the fan base? Cammalleri for Bourque was the only one that comes to mind. Most of Treliving’s deals have been well received.

McDavid is missing the playoffs and an expansion team is leading the west. Outside of Nashville the west is wide open and the Flames would be wise to make a push

Geeoff · 02-25-2018, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't know why, but I just get a bad vibe from trading for anybody from Buffalo. That team has significant problems, and while I wouldn't blame it on some of their talented players, they certainly haven't been part of the solution either.

It's like trading for anyone from Edmonton. There's probably some bad habits to coach out of them. There may not be an immediate payoff for us.

I'd take Eichel or Ristolainen

jayswin · 02-25-2018, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't know why, but I just get a bad vibe from trading for anybody from Buffalo. That team has significant problems, and while I wouldn't blame it on some of their talented players, they certainly haven't been part of the solution either.

It's like trading for anyone from Edmonton. There's probably some bad habits to coach out of them. There may not be an immediate payoff for us.

Good point but odd example in Edmonton. Dubnyk as a goalie took a little longer to turn around, but he was developing at that point anyways. The forwards and D-men however have been very quick turnarounds from playing bad on a bad Oilers team to changing habits and providing great value to their new team.

transplant99 · 02-25-2018, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't know why, but I just get a bad vibe from trading for anybody from Buffalo. That team has significant problems, and while I wouldn't blame it on some of their talented players, they certainly haven't been part of the solution either.

It's like trading for anyone from Edmonton. There's probably some bad habits to coach out of them. There may not be an immediate payoff for us.

Look at their lineup in todays game with Boston....that is a tire fire.

Victor Antipin, Nick Baptiste, Jacob Josefson, Johan Larsson, Evan Rodrigues, Casey Nelson, Jordan Nolan, Scott Wilson.....all taking regular shifts.

I get what you are saying, but with support like that, there is just no way you can pin anything on the existing players. Might be as bad a lineup as anything they iced when they tanked for McDavid/Eichel.

Also, its going to be hard to make deals with teams that are "winning"...as they would be the ones you would be competing against for other guys to start with!