[Signing] Flames re-sign Stone (3 yrs, $3.5 mil AAV)

[Love]

Perfect length.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Ryan Pike apparently confirmed with the team a few weeks ago the Flames would lose the pick even if they signed Stone after July 1st. Similar condition to the Elliott trade

Is there a condition where the opposite is true? Because that condition doesn't make any sense at all. I keep wondering why "wait until July 1" has been an opinion. If you could get away with that, you fire who ever wrote up the trade docs.

[8sPOT]

I don't get why some are so against this?

We've got a 6'3" 210lb, right hand shot, 27 year old dman, who can shoot, pass, and skate, and play in all situations for 3 years at $3.5M.

You don't like that? Are you ####ing kidding me?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Parallex

No we didn't. We got a #5 signed for to long and to much. It's Smid 2.0.

Evidently we weren't watching the same player.

Having a really, really hard time understanding how anyone could be disappointed bringing Stone back at $3.5. There were a number of teams (Leafs included) looking to bring him in to play in their top 4, where surely he'd have got north of $4MM.

The Flames just brought in Stone at basically Engelland money from his last contract. Add this to the fact the forward free agent crop is extremely weak (and old) and it doesn't restrict us from retaining any of our core players in the forseeable future....not sure what's not to like about this deal.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

You are the most self righteous poster on the message board. NHL GM's have more knowledge, experience and data that you do when they make these decisions. They also have to deal with something called a "free market" which is what determines the value of a player.

I'm sure everyone is tired of you continually stating how much smarter you are than the people who actually get paid to do this for a living. This isn't The Big Short and you aren't the genius sitting in the corner that's figured everything out.

Nothing CHL wrote in that post deserves this response.

[united]

The thing that bothered me about the Brouwer signing, and now Stone albeit to a lesser extent, is you have guys who by all accounts want to be here and only here, yet we are unable to sign them for a significantly discounted price. Obviously none of us are privy to negotiations, but one would think that their strong desire to live here would be a big leverage point on the part of the Flames. I guess not.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Mony

Also, where is the room for kids to play now? We have an abundance of kids that look like they're trending great to fill those bottom D spots and now one of the spots is plugged. I get that people are afraid of playing kids but it has to happen at some point. 3 years blocks that for a sizeable chunk of time. One year would've been fine. But 3?

Bartkowski's on a two-way deal.

If one of the kids has a better camp, that makes two kids on the team.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by united

The thing that bothered me about the Brouwer signing, and now Stone albeit to a lesser extent, is you have guys who by all accounts want to be here and only here, yet we are unable to sign them for a significantly discounted price. Obviously none of us are privy to negotiations, but one would think that their strong desire to live here would be a big leverage point on the part of the Flames. I guess not.

Using Russell and Smith as comparables, he would have gotten at least 4+4 in UFA.

[Mony]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Bartowski's on a two-way deal.

If one of the kids has a better camp, that makes two kids on the team.

Never mind, forgot about that.

Still think there could've been better options than Stone, though.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by united

The thing that bothered me about the Brouwer signing, and now Stone albeit to a lesser extent, is you have guys who by all accounts want to be here and only here, yet we are unable to sign them for a significantly discounted price. Obviously none of us are privy to negotiations, but one would think that their strong desire to live here would be a big leverage point on the part of the Flames. I guess not.

This was already pointed out: Watch what Alzner signs and then try saying again this isn't a good valued price.

It might not be a sweetheart deal, but it's certainly not the UFA-overpay we're going to see tomorrow.

[FiveSeven]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I don't think it's possible for someone else to get how much I loath this deal. Mark my words this is a Brouwer contract except on the backend.

Done. I have faith.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by united

The thing that bothered me about the Brouwer signing, and now Stone albeit to a lesser extent, is you have guys who by all accounts want to be here and only here, yet we are unable to sign them for a significantly discounted price. Obviously none of us are privy to negotiations, but one would think that their strong desire to live here would be a big leverage point on the part of the Flames. I guess not.

Versteeg says hi

[d_phaneuf]

Don't think this is a good move, Stone was servicable with Brodie but has a history of really struggling if hes not playing with a top pairing guy

the term on this could be a real problem too, if any of the young guys turn out to be decent they will be better than Stone quickly, and then you have a 7th guy making 3.5m

[Jacks]

Haven't read the whole thread. With Bart and Kulak that should be about 26 million for defense, not bad. Little more than our competitors in the West but pretty deep and we don't have as many ELC's as they do.

[belsarius]

I love how this depth is also going to help the goalies. Lots of concern about what kind of performance Smith and Lack might have in them, but now this defense makes that concern a whole lot smaller.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by united

The thing that bothered me about the Brouwer signing, and now Stone albeit to a lesser extent, is you have guys who by all accounts want to be here and only here, yet we are unable to sign them for a significantly discounted price. Obviously none of us are privy to negotiations, but one would think that their strong desire to live here would be a big leverage point on the part of the Flames. I guess not.

IMO this is a discounted price. I feel pretty confident Stone would have got more money had he gone to free agency. Russell got $4 x 4 before getting to free agency and I think Smith is probably viewed as a better player by most teams.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Del Zotto or Franson? Really? I don't get the love for Cody "turnovers" Franson.

It's not "love", but he's better than Stone and probably won't make much more money (he might even make less). You think Stone's better defensively, but Franson allowed the lowest rate of shots against on a bad Buffalo team last year, while Stone allowed the highest rate of any Flames defenseman - to be fair a bunch of that is because he was with Arizona, but it didn't get much better in Calgary and for ####'s sake, his most frequent partners last season were Alex Goligoski and TJ Brodie. Not exactly garbage heap players.

And strategically, Franson would be a better fit for a team that doesn't need to play its bottom pairing much, and would be better suited to have a good 2nd unit PP quarterback in one of the 5-6 slots. Which is what I thought they were taking a flyer on with the Lack / Murphy trade - Murphy has a hell of a shot, and if he can stick in the lineup he'd fill that role on the cheap. Thereby allowing the 2.5+ difference to be spent elsewhere. It's just a waste of cap space to sign a guy to fill a relatively unimportant role.

[sa226]

Home town discounts for UFAs are largely a myth.

Even if you are able to get a bit of a discount, its not in the millions of dollars.

I bet Stone would have received at least 4 per on the open market.

Love the deal.

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[ResAlien]

I will say in seriousness I'm a fan of this signing. Ignoring the expected chicken little responses this is fantastic. Amazing depth, accounts for possible injuries, and really looks to set this team to go from run to sprint.

Now if Bennett becomes a top 6 player and Ferland solidifies himself as a top line player I have tempered but high expectations for the next few years.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I agree, except that he is a bottom pairing defenceman, not a top four. If you play him like a top four, you are likely to get third pairing results in those minutes. He could prove this prediction wrong, but there's no evidence of it to date.

The Russell deal is a joke. This is damning by faint praise.

I totally agree that Karl Alzner is also likely to be substantially overpaid based on his reputation and the general noises being made about what he's asking for. So now you've named two defencemen that are likely to get bad contracts this year. You're correct. That doesn't make this contract any better.

Yes UFA defensemen always get paid. But they get "market value" on the UFA market. If you don't understand the market value of UFA defensemen then you shouldn't be using words like "overpayment"

Several people in this thread are making a huge logical mistake. They are looking at the Flames 5th defenseman and assuming he should make typical bottom pairing money. The Flames meanwhile have acquired FIVE top 4 defenceman in order to create contending depth on the blue line. Stone is a top 4 dman and is arguably being paid slightly less than market value for his age, experience, ice time and role.

So don't give me this overpaid for a bottom pairing dman crap. That shows a misunderstanding of Stone or the UFA market