Fourth line with Stajan? who sits out on the wings? Chiasson or Bouma?
3rd line with Bennett? and move Brouwer to the 4th line?
I'd swing for the fences. Give him some ice team, give him decent team mates and see if a change of environment makes a difference. If it doesn't move accordingly.
Most of the Sens fans were hoping for at most a third round pick.
Lazar is a big reclamation project. Actually can't believe he got a 2nd rounder even in a weak draft.
Would rather have the magic beans.
As they should. It's a good deal for the Senators, but that does not mean that it is also not a good deal for the Flames. Trading is not always a zero-sum game.
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Basically, if you were going up to the podium on draft day in the 2nd round and you knew that the guy on the board would have 36 points in his first 176 games, would you still take him even if his junior stats were good?
Depends on what you thought the next 176 and beyond brought.
The Senators were offered a 2nd for Lazar yesterday. They weren't getting anything less than a 2nd for him.
Given the Flames put Jokkipakka on waivers yesterday and he was included in this trade, I'm willing to bet it was the Flames who offered up the second round pick. I would guess this trade was set yesterday with the caveat that the Sens could back out if they got a 1st round pick or a 2nd plus a better player.
Disappointed. That 2nd could have been a PK Subban or Patrice Bergeron.
Basically, if you were going up to the podium on draft day in the 2nd round and you knew that the guy on the board would have 36 points in his first 176 games, would you still take him even if his junior stats were good?
Not the end of the world I just don't like the trade.
The draft looks to be really weak, this isn't a draft where you might be able to sneak out some top tier talent out of. A 2nd in a rough draft is probably a third or fourth in a good draft year.
Lazar has his warts, but he's the right age for the team and has potential to turn things around with a change in scenery.
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I argued this before about Lazar, a 2nd in a weak draft is a good gamble on revitalizing a kid.
Hopefully he has a jump in his step coming into the next game.
I'm dumbstruck at the people on here who write off a guy who *just* turned 22. If your employers/spouses/parents/friends had written you off at that age....where would you be?
Some guys take developing - and end up in the wrong spot to mature for a while. When they get to a place where someone takes time and effort with them, they can bloom. His work in his earlier years looks pretty good, but he was with a relatively crappy Ottawa team, and lost momentum. Jokki was a freebie anyway (waivers) and the Flames got potential and another kid. What's not to like about him coming here?
Wow. Tough crowd.
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Basically, if you were going up to the podium on draft day in the 2nd round and you knew that the guy on the board would have 36 points in his first 176 games, would you still take him even if his junior stats were good?
I'm not overly thrilled either, but you are being overly dramatic.
For instance, 176 games played is over 100 more than any second round pick from Lazar's draft class. His 36 points is double the top second rounder from Lazar's draft class as well - though Patan managed his 18 in 1/3 the games.
In fact, only two second rounders from the 2012 draft, one year earlier than Lazar, has played as many games as he has.
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They swapped flexibility for someone elses mostly developed asset.
The flames used a 2nd round pick as part of the Hamilton acquisition. The Flames now have 5 picks in 7 rounds in the upcoming draft and if they re-sign Stone and Elliott they will have 4 picks next year.
As Textcritic says, if the flames are going to compete in the next 5 years they are going to do with with the talent already in the system. Well, if that's the case, the Flames are in huge f'ing trouble because they don't have anything in the system, all their bluechippers are contributing NHL'ers.
The Flames are goign to have to go out and buy a significant asset at some point and the philosophical direction should be accumulating a quantity of picks in order to make trades to acquire impact players without having the complication of sending significant salary the other way.
Lazar isn't some massive mistake, but I don't see much difference between acquiring him and acquiring Shinkaruk, except one was significantly more costly to acquire than the other in my opinion. You're banking on an improbable turnaround to justify the expense of the acquisition. What it does for the Flames is it removes flexibility in future acquisitions which have the potential to have a greater total impact on the franchise.
I don't hate the player, I just hate the fact the Flames are once again deficit spending with draft picks. You'd think they would have learned their lesson by now.
We've had an excess of picks the last few years. This particular draft is one of the worst in a long time. You're one of the only ones trying to manufacture this kind of outrage / concern.
We're now at the point where we need to speed up the process of players making an impact.
You are way, way over dramatizing here. Which is what you usually do with the enduring raincloud from which you live under.
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