[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Calgary will soon be in a tough position where they need to make deals like Chicago and give up guys like Saad for nothing. Bennett will be up for a new contract extension at the same time Backlund is up for one. Backlund will request 4.5-5 million. Bennett will likely be 5-7 million depending on his progress. Monahan will likely be looking at 6.5 million or so.

That is too much. Backlund will not be a Flames 3 years from now, simple economic reality.

Nah they'll be fine. Remember, Wideman, Smid, Engelland, Stajan, Raymond, Bouma and Bollig will be coming off the books in the next couple years. That's a ton of money spent on a lot of players that won't be coming back.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by codynw

Nah they'll be fine. Remember, Wideman, Smid, Engelland, Stajan, Raymond, Bouma and Bollig will be coming off the books in the next couple years. That's a ton of money spent on a lot of players that won't be coming back.

You still need to replace all of them to ice a 23 man roster.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

You still need to replace all of them to ice a 23 man roster.

Yea but they should be replaced with cheaper players. Pretty sure the #5 defenceman won't be making over $5M after Wideman is gone.

[Toonage]

Still have to pay Gaudreau & Monahan this year, Bennett next year, etc

Wideman, Smid, Engelland, Stajan, Raymond & Bollig equal what Gaudreau & Monahan are likely to make next year. Kind of a wash.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

You still need to replace all of them to ice a 23 man roster.

That's about 20 mill in salary. Almost all of it eaten by Johnny, Mono and Bennett.
This is where you really need to have replacements for those guys on great value contracts, ELC or otherwise.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Assuming Backlund is part of the trade

Michael Frolik
Sean Monahan
Johnny Gaudreau
Sam Bennett
Scott Hartnell
Micheal Ferland (or insert other player)
Joe Colborne (or insert other player)

Mark Giordano
Dougie Hamilton
TJ Brodie

Jon Gillies

Calgary will be just fine, as long as the expansion draft happens next year. The biggest worry has always been Wideman's case.

Looks like a good list, do we know if Gillies is exempt from the draft?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Par

Looks like a good list, do we know if Gillies is exempt from the draft?

Treliving said he is 99.9% sure he is exempt.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Treliving said he is 99.9% sure he is exempt.

Yea, but what does Feaster think?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Yea, but what does Feaster think?

That offer-sheeting Ryan O'Reilly is a really good idea.

[Mr.Coffee]

When people like Sidney Crosby talk about how good they think Backlund is it does make it seem like he'd be a tough one to give up. That said Puljujarvi will be the real deal and elevate our offence to that next gear we need. I think you pull the trigger.

[Harry Lime]

It used to be that if a player waives his NTC to go to a new team, that team was no longer under obligation to the NTC. It had been waived.

Is it the same for a full NMC? If a team picks up a Hartnell, is the NMC void?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It used to be that if a player waives his NTC to go to a new team, that team was no longer under obligation to the NTC. It had been waived.

Is it the same for a full NMC? If a team picks up a Hartnell, is the NMC void?

I believe that is incorrect. If you waive the clause once I don't believe that means the NTC is permanently voided

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It used to be that if a player waives his NTC to go to a new team, that team was no longer under obligation to the NTC. It had been waived.

Is it the same for a full NMC? If a team picks up a Hartnell, is the NMC void?

According to CapFriendly, Tyler Myers had a NMC & Modified NTC but it was wiped out when he agreed to the trade to Winnipeg. I don't think it's automatically wiped out, but it must be something the player has to agree to and sign off on.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would argue that the drop from 4 to 8 last year was at least as big as the drop from 3 to 6 this year.

Having to give up all 3 2nds would be painful. So its probably a fair trade.

They want out of the Hartnell contract (and we could use his grit). How about something like:

#3 + Hartnell for #6 + Colborne + 2nd

If you're giving up less picks then you're likely going to have to give up a very good player. Colborne doesn't come close to fitting that bill. I'd have no problem moving our first and 2 of 3 second round picks to move up 3 spots in the draft. Anything more than that is probably not worth it.

The Flames scouts have done a good job with those later picks recently. I would rather roll the dice at that end then go all in for someone who isn't even the top of the draft class.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It used to be that if a player waives his NTC to go to a new team, that team was no longer under obligation to the NTC. It had been waived.

Is it the same for a full NMC? If a team picks up a Hartnell, is the NMC void?

I believe that players with NMC can agree to void the clause for the acquiring tea man but usually refuse to waive the NMC unless it stays alive post-trade. If a player is acquired before the NMC takes effect (usually for young players), the acquiring team can unilaterally void it (Myers).

[GioforPM]

I think any deal Columbus considers has at least Backlund in it. Maybe not even him - they might insist on Bennett. I can't see them doing anything along the lines of Bouma/Colborne/etc.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

According to CapFriendly, Tyler Myers had a NMC & Modified NTC but it was wiped out when he agreed to the trade to Winnipeg. I don't think it's automatically wiped out, but it must be something the player has to agree to and sign off on.

I seem to recall hearing when Jeff Carter was traded to Columbus (or maybe it was Richards to LA?) that when a player is traded prior to their NMC/NTC beginning the acquiring club has the choice of honoring the clause, this would fit for Myers too as his NMC/NTC was not slated to start until the 2016-17 season.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I seem to recall hearing when Jeff Carter was traded to LA that when a player is traded prior to their NMC/NTC beginning the acquiring club has the choice of honoring the clause. This is why Jeff Carter no longer has a NTC, this would fit for Myers too as his NMC/NTC was not slated to start until the 2016-17 season.

I believe it was because Carter was acquired prior to the NMC becoming effective and therefore was Columbus' option.

Only applies to players whose NMC haven't taken effect because they aren't old enough to be eligible for one.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I seem to recall hearing when Jeff Carter was traded to Columbus (or maybe it was Richards to LA?) that when a player is traded prior to their NMC/NTC beginning the acquiring club has the choice of honoring the clause, this would fit for Myers too as his NMC/NTC was not slated to start until the 2016-17 season.

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I believe it was because Carter was acquired prior to the NMC becoming effective and therefore was Columbus' option.

Only applies to players whose NMC haven't taken effect because they aren't old enough to be eligible for one.

Yes, that is correct. If the NMC/NTC hasn't kicked in yet, the acquiring team has the choice to honour it or not. If it has already begun, I believe the acquiring team must still honour it in the future.

[Vinny01]

Philly signed the Hartnell deal that had a NMC. He waived it for the Jackets but it remains in effect today as he has to waive it to go wherever