[Rumour] Travis Hamonic requests trade. Western Canada preferred destination

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by MattyC

If you didn't have to take money into account, I would say that Russell (if they could sign him) AND Wideman should be able do it. Not only adequately replace Hamonic with Russell (who is only 3 years older), but they get an offensive punch from Wideman who was 4th in D scoring last season.

Replace their best defenseman with Russell? Islanders would be able to get a much better replacement.

codynw is right, if you want to assess Hamonic's value ask yourself what you would give for Brodie. It's no coincidence that their contracts each year have been near identical since entering the league.

[puckedoff]

Trade Hamilton for Hamonic, problem solved.

(Maybe something like Hamilton + Backlund for Hamonic + Second rounder)

[adc]

Russell has cleared waivers and was dealt for a 5th round recently. Hamonic has been the leading defenseman for two years on a play-off team. He is also younger and on a good deal versus a UFA. I don't see how they are comparable at all.

Russell and Wideman are close to Hamonic in value on their own and as package it makes little sense to the Isles who have 7 d on their team already.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Backlund isn't a bad piece, but yeah, it wouldn't get it done on its own. Add Jankowski? Kylington? I know they want NHLers, but it would be tough

Jesus no. We don't even need Harmonic. Why would we throw in a big talented centre in Janks who has unknown upside? Knowing this organizations luck he would turn into Joe Thornton v.2. Same with Kylington, dude has unreal potential as an offensive D man. No, no, no!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Replace their best defenseman with Russell? Islanders would be able to get a much better replacement.

codynw is right, if you want to assess Hamonic's value ask yourself what you would give for Brodie. It's no coincidence that their contracts each year have been near identical since entering the league.

Again, I don't watch the Islanders at all. But from what I can gather from people here, Hamonic is much closer to a Russell-type stay at home dman who has some offense, than a high flying offensive catalyst like Brodie.

Brodie's contract be darned, he's worth a lot more than what he's getting. I don't think you can just look at their salaries/age and assume they are the same.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Trade Hamilton for Hamonic, problem solved.

(Maybe something like Hamilton + Backlund for Hamonic + Second rounder)

Why do we always undervalue our players on here? In what universe is Harmonic as good as Hamilton now let alone the unreal upside Dougie has? Snow would jump all over that and we would be sorry very quickly.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

No, Darren Dreger said that Garth Snow wants an "equitable" player in return. Position wasn't mentioned.

"They're not just going to give him away," one source said, adding that Snow is seeking a commensurate return -- an established top-four defenseman, not prospects and/or draft picks. "He's their best defenseman."

Thanks. Buh bye.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Again, I don't watch the Islanders at all. But from what I can gather from people here, Hamonic is much closer to a Russell-type stay at home dman who has some offense, than a high flying offensive catalyst like Brodie.

Brodie's contract be darned, he's worth a lot more than what he's getting. I don't think you can just look at their salaries/age and assume they are the same.

In contract negotiations, the Flames managers have very clearly been using Hamonic's contract as a comparable.

Between other 2008 draft picks Hamonic and Josi, we're lucky that they signed the deals they did as Brodie is most comparable to them and they were on great contracts.

Hamonic's playstyle isn't really comparable to Brodie or Russell. His value is very clearly closer to Brodie's though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MattyC

We would have to include Bennett + for just Strome? Or to have him included with Hamonic?

Both Hamonic and Strome are good young players, but I really think we're undervaluing our own players a lot. Bennett could conceivably hit Strome's career high (from last season) of 50 pts, in his rookie year. It would be awesome to bring in a guy like Strome, but Bennett plus is pretty crazy to me.

I agree it would be tough to get Hamonic without including young assets that we don't have/want to trade, but I still think there is an undervaluing of Russell and Wideman. Again, don't know much about Hamonic, but looking at his stats and judging by what people say in here, he seems to be about on par with what Russell is, but 25 years old and more physical.

If you didn't have to take money into account, I would say that Russell (if they could sign him) AND Wideman should be able do it. Not only adequately replace Hamonic with Russell (who is only 3 years older), but they get an offensive punch from Wideman who was 4th in D scoring last season.

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Bennett is not an alternative in my book. He has a higher upside than Hamonic or Strome IMO.

But Hamonic is not equivalent to Russell. He's a far better defensive defenceman. Shot blocking aside, Russell isn't that great defensively. Hamonic's value isn't in his regular stats, and wouldn't be brought to Calgary for point production.

[sureLoss]

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
Hamonic says his request is strictly personal, nothing to do with #Isles. "I've been treated like gold ever since they drafted me."

[sureLoss]

Hamonic willing to play the rest of the season in Brooklyn:

Brett Cyrgalis @BrettCyrgalis
Hamonic called the matter "strictly personal" and understandably wouldn't go any further. Said he'd play the whole season if need be. #Isles

[Poe969]

So the isles won't trade him now unless they get exactly what they want for him. Seems the power just shifted back to them if he'll play there all year.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

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Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: "Winnipeg would be the No. 1 choice." Request was originally based on #NHLJets, #Oilers, #Flames, #Canucks

Weird. Wonder what the connection is?

[CroFlames]

I hope we get Hamonic for two reasons. Firstly, obviously to bolster the D.

2ndly to watch oiler fans get salty again that we "stole" another d-man from them (Smid, Hamilton).

[sureLoss]

Yup if he is willing to stay the season, then Snow has little incentive to trade him now unless he is blown away or at the very least gets an equivalent player back.

Snow will let this season play out with Hamonic on the team as trading Hamonic now for pieces will likely hurt the isles this season.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

In contract negotiations, the Flames managers have very clearly been using Hamonic's contract as a comparable.

Between other 2008 draft picks Hamonic and Josi, we're lucky that they signed the deals they did as Brodie is most comparable to them and they were on great contracts.

Hamonic's playstyle isn't really comparable to Brodie or Russell. His value is very clearly closer to Brodie's though.

I agree that was the comparable for Brodie, before last season.

You have to ask yourself if you would trade those players straight across for each other. Brodie for Josi? Yeah, those guys are probably a wash. I don't think Hamonic is the same type of player. That doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't hold similar value on a team, but their contracts, and assets needed to trade for, will probably always be different. But again, I don't know much about Hamonic and more just interested in the discussion.

I DO think Brodie is a special player though. There's not much in the league I would trade him for.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Weird. Wonder what the connection is?

If you read the first couple of posts you would know it's because he has a family issue...and he is from Winnipeg

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

If you read the first couple of posts you would know it's because he has a family issue...and he is from Winnipeg

"Hamonic, who owns a condo in Winnipeg’s South End, said it’s no secret that he is proud of his roots.

“I love Winnipeg and I love Manitoba and I am very proud to be from here,” said Hamonic. “For me to get a chance to play a game in front of everyone, it’s exciting."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...home-1.2887741

Stole this from HF... was just about to post this. I had no idea. Crap I hope this happens now... would be awesome to have a home town kid of his ability.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MattyC

We would have to include Bennett + for just Strome? Or to have him included with Hamonic?

Both Hamonic and Strome are good young players, but I really think we're undervaluing our own players a lot. Bennett could conceivably hit Strome's career high (from last season) of 50 pts, in his rookie year. It would be awesome to bring in a guy like Strome, but Bennett plus is pretty crazy to me.

I agree it would be tough to get Hamonic without including young assets that we don't have/want to trade, but I still think there is an undervaluing of Russell and Wideman. Again, don't know much about Hamonic, but looking at his stats and judging by what people say in here, he seems to be about on par with what Russell is, but 25 years old and more physical.

If you didn't have to take money into account, I would say that Russell (if they could sign him) AND Wideman should be able do it. Not only adequately replace Hamonic with Russell (who is only 3 years older), but they get an offensive punch from Wideman who was 4th in D scoring last season.

Contract status is definitely an issue, as Hamonic has a very friendly deal, but there's also no indication that he's going to be much more than what he is now (which is not a bad thing), and he's probably paid accordingly for what he is. Russell will probably net about the same, maybe a little more as a UFA, and Wideman will likely either stay about the same, or have a drop in price, depending on how he plays. If he has a great offensive year again, he's probably looking at about the same dough he is now. If he has a drop in production, his salary will drop accordingly, and hes still an OK dman.

But really, ask yourself about the players that surround Wideman from the defensive scoring list last season. Karlsson, Burns, Subban, Carlson, Josi. All younger (Burns and Letang are closer), but still. How many of those would you package with another top-4 dman for a strong, young defensive defensmen, who is about the same as the one you added, only a couple years younger, and call it a steal for you? if you were to see a team do that from the outside, would it look good?

Anyways TL;DR - Our players are better than people give them credit for, but I understand it's more about the VALUE they bring, which is different.

Bennett is probably worth a fair bit less than Strome at the moment. Their upsides are similar but Strome is more proven. Our 1st is worth less than Strome or Hamonic, and they won't want the 1st or Bennett because they're trying to win now and have stated they want an equivalent dman back. Bennett and our 1st are probably our two most valuable trade assets outside of Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie and Hamilton. Everything else we have would create a quantity for quality trade that I'm sure Snow would say no to. One of those 4 guys would have to go to NY if we wanted Strome included in a Hamonic trade.

If we were to trade for a Hamonic+Strome package, I suspect it would look like this:

Brodie+Hudler+2016-1st for Strome+Hamonic with maybe a small add from NY's side.

Strome is the best piece (most valuable) in the trade, Brodie is 2nd, Hamonic is 3rd. All just my opinion, of course... I could be way off.

Basically telling the isles the price to upgrade Hamonic to Brodie is Strome, but Strome is worth more than either player IMO. There is a significant gap to bridge there.

Guys like Russell and Wideman aren't as bad as some say but I don't think they move the needle all that much from NY's perspective.

I think we're over complicating things by trying to shoehorn a guy like Strome into the mix. We only have 2 or 3 guys in our entire organization that are worth as much or more than him.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

"Hamonic, who owns a condo in Winnipeg’s South End, said it’s no secret that he is proud of his roots.

“I love Winnipeg and I love Manitoba and I am very proud to be from here,” said Hamonic. “For me to get a chance to play a game in front of everyone, it’s exciting."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...home-1.2887741

Stole this from HF... was just about to post this. I had no idea. Crap I hope this happens now... would be awesome to have a home town kid of his ability.

Would you trade Trouba for him?