[Rumour] Spector: Bennett for Stamkos? Hudler asking $7 mil/yr. Russell available

[Inglewood Jack]

geez, I've been wondering how much longer we were gonna allow that Flames Homer game to continue. thanks mods.

[sureLoss]

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: I 'vividly' remember reaching out to Treliving about Stamkos months ago. He 'vehemently' denied. #Flames #TBLightning 1/2

Dreger: I can’t say there have NEVER been conversations, but "I think the whole thing is a bit of a stretch." #Flames #TBLightning 2/2

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Stamkos is already an elite #1 center.. and only 25

Not sure what you are trying to say here.. Gaudreau can POTENTIALLY play with an elite #1 center in Bennett OR he can ALREADY play with an elite #1 center.... BT is not going to be silly enough to just give away Bennett without insuring that Stamkos will re-sign.

Was under the impression that Stamkos was a winger. I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, Stamkos does seem to be a shoot-first style center, whereas I think it would be more beneficial to this team to have a Thornton-style elite playmaking center.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Nevertheless, Stamkos does seem to be a shoot-first style center, whereas I think it would be more beneficial to this team to have a Thornton-style elite playmaking center.

The way the Flames NHL roster is right now, they need more finishers than they need pass first players.

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Was under the impression that Stamkos was a winger. I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, Stamkos does seem to be a shoot-first style center, whereas I think it would be more beneficial to this team to have a Thornton-style elite playmaking center.

I always thought so too

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Was under the impression that Stamkos was a winger. I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, Stamkos does seem to be a shoot-first style center, whereas I think it would be more beneficial to this team to have a Thornton-style elite playmaking center.

This team needs a sniper badly, the only top 6 sniper on the team is Monahan. The team could use a player like Cammalleri on the second line especially.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by nightfx

This team needs a sniper badly, the only top 6 sniper on the team is Monahan. The team could use a player like Cammalleri on the second line especially.

A Cammalleri for Bennett trade could work for both sides, but would need to happen now to make sense for the Flames...

[icecube]

Hearing Tampa has already called dibs on Cammalleri

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: I 'vividly' remember reaching out to Treliving about Stamkos months ago. He 'vehemently' denied. #Flames #TBLightning 1/2

Dreger: I can’t say there have NEVER been conversations, but "I think the whole thing is a bit of a stretch." #Flames #TBLightning 2/2

While likely very true I am not surprised that Dreger is trying to shoot down a lead that was started by Sportsnet. Pretty easy rumor to shoot down as it is unlikely Stamkos moves before Christmas if the Lightning can't sign him

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: I 'vividly' remember reaching out to Treliving about Stamkos months ago. He 'vehemently' denied. #Flames #TBLightning 1/2

Dreger: I can’t say there have NEVER been conversations, but "I think the whole thing is a bit of a stretch." #Flames #TBLightning 2/2

Mackenzie said earlier that Treliving was hard in on Stamkos this summer. I'd believe McKenzie over Dreger

[IgiTang]

Lol... Being outshot every period and every game pretty much. Guys not taking shots but looking for the fancy play. Guys not sticking to the meat and potatoes game of funneling the puck to the net but.... But... We need a Joe Thorton type player, not a Stamkos type... Wtf is going on around here?!?!

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

There are two problems with acquiring Stamkos. The first is that players exit their prime scoring years right around age 27 so regardless of how well he's done in the past, he will not better the scoring output (or at least it's very unlikely that he will) that he had over the last five years in the next five.

That doesn't mean he won't be a better or more well-rounded player but he's not going to put up the points he once did if history is any indication. Ironically, Yzerman is a good example of this. Much better player in his late 20s and early 30s but not nearly as dynamic of a scorer.

The second thing is his contract. If he goes to free agency some team will offer him MAX by MAX ($14 mil by 8?) and I'm sure he knows this so if he's going to take less than that it'll probably be with Tampa and probably wouldn't be with Calgary.

If I'm Calgary, I don't really want to give up very good assets for a player who is awesome but will be taking up that much cap space. Would I pay him MAX by MAX as a free agent if I'm Calgary? You bet I would. But I don't give up assets for that contract knowing his best scoring years are behind him.

27 and players are out of their prime? What about experience? This league is getting younger for sure because of the cap, but your statement makes it sound like we should push everyone turning 30 off a bridge.

Getzlaf, Perry, Marleau, Hossa are pretty decent old farts. Stammer could dominate for over a decade to come. Do whatever it takes to aquire such a commodity.

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

There are two problems with acquiring Stamkos. The first is that players exit their prime scoring years right around age 27 so regardless of how well he's done in the past, he will not better the scoring output (or at least it's very unlikely that he will) that he had over the last five years in the next five.

That doesn't mean he won't be a better or more well-rounded player but he's not going to put up the points he once did if history is any indication. Ironically, Yzerman is a good example of this. Much better player in his late 20s and early 30s but not nearly as dynamic of a scorer.

The second thing is his contract. If he goes to free agency some team will offer him MAX by MAX ($14 mil by 8?) and I'm sure he knows this so if he's going to take less than that it'll probably be with Tampa and probably wouldn't be with Calgary.

If I'm Calgary, I don't really want to give up very good assets for a player who is awesome but will be taking up that much cap space. Would I pay him MAX by MAX as a free agent if I'm Calgary? You bet I would. But I don't give up assets for that contract knowing his best scoring years are behind him.

27 and players are out of their prime? What about experience? This league is getting younger for sure because of the cap, but your statement makes it sound like we should push everyone turning 30 off a bridge.

Getzlaf, Perry, Marleau, Hossa are pretty decent old farts. Stammer could dominate for over a decade to come. Do whatever it takes to aquire such a commodity.

[t0rrent98]

here's another one but its not Bennett. Its Monny + 1st pick for Stamkos.

http://www.nhltraderumors.me/2015/10...ry-flames.html

he Flames are offering Sean Monahan and a first round draft pick to the Lightning in return for Steven Stamkos. It's a risky move for Calgary because Stamkos is a pending UFA and may choose to sign with another team in the offseason.

[codynw]

I hope Stamkos signs soon so this rumour can die.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

27 and players are out of their prime? What about experience? This league is getting younger for sure because of the cap, but your statement makes it sound like we should push everyone turning 30 off a bridge.

Getzlaf, Perry, Marleau, Hossa are pretty decent old farts. Stammer could dominate for over a decade to come. Do whatever it takes to aquire such a commodity.

No, out of their scoring prime. I mentioned that players are likely better when they're older but they're more well-rounded. They don't put up the goals they did when they were younger.

Getzlaf, Perry, Marleau and Hossa are all excellent players and I would love them on my team any day. But look at when they hit their career-best in goals:

Getzlaf - age 28 (31 goals)
Perry - age 25 (50 goals)
Marleau - age 30 (44 goals)
Hossa - age 23 (45 goals)

With the exception of Marleau they were all around that age of 27 or in some cases even younger. It's the same with all the greats. Lemieux (85 goals, age 23), Gretzky (92 goals, age 22), Jagr (62 goals, age 24), Howe (49 goals, age 24).

I think you can make a case that they were all overall better players at later ages, but as far as goal scoring they aren't as prolific. And if you're dishing out $14 million a year for 8 years you want to hope that the player will continue to score goals at an elite level I think.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: I 'vividly' remember reaching out to Treliving about Stamkos months ago. He 'vehemently' denied. #Flames #TBLightning 1/2

Dreger: I can’t say there have NEVER been conversations, but "I think the whole thing is a bit of a stretch." #Flames #TBLightning 2/2

Dreger always does this when the rumour isn't his. He loves shutting down other rumours. And he always does it in a condescending manner, and yes I know he has connections but it doesn't mean he's the only one.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

A Cammalleri for Bennett trade could work for both sides, but would need to happen now to make sense for the Flames...

We could have have Cammalleri for free...or zero assets.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

We could have have Cammalleri for free...or zero assets.

Whoo####y swoosh

[CKPThunder]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

The annoying thing is we gave up a year of ELC each to Bennett and JG. It sucks, especially with Johnny, since we only got a single game from him that year.

I don't think we burned a year with Johnny though. When he signed it was a 3 year ELC. If he signed for the following year, it would have been a 2 year ELC. Either way, he would become an RFA in July 2016.