2015/2016 Barclays Premier League Thread

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Locke

And apparently the asking price for Marco Reus was £60M.

and they offered 50 and wouldnt go up 10m?

thats insane, he would be their best player by an insane margin

[cam_wmh]

I missed it.
What infraction was this? (Madrid's potential registration ban)
Similar to Barcelona's under 18 recruiting and signings? (Neymar too?)

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

I missed it.
What infraction was this? (Madrid's potential registration ban)
Similar to Barcelona's under 18 recruiting and signings? (Neymar too?)

yep

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...mbargo-reports

[DeanOMac]

http://www.football365.com/arsenal/9...ransfer-review

Wenger had also said he was "confident that a last-minute situation" would be available, although he had also bemoaned the "availabilty of top-class players".
...
Arsenal ended the window as the only club in Europe's top five leagues not to sign an outfield player.

Ins

Petr Cech (Chelsea, £10 million)

Outs

Lukas Podolski (Galatasaray, £1.8m); Abou Diaby (Marseille, free); Wojciech Szczesny (Roma, loan); Carl Jenkinson (West Ham, loan); Yaya Sanogo (Ajax, loan); Chuba Akpom (Hull City, loan); Serge Gnabry (West Brom, loan); Wellington Silva (Bolton, loan).

Well this should end well. Title challengers for sure.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

the rumor was they told him if he didnt come this year and came for a free next year they would give him a bumper payment of 10m Euros

the only reason I can concievely think why United would do this on purpose is that it is expected Madrid get the same transfer ban that Barca have right now (basically a registration ban), depending on when Madrid get it, they will most likely appeal it so they have another transfer window to buy for essentially two years

when Barca did it they delayed it last summer and got Suarez, Bravo, Ter Stegen, Rakitic, Mathieu, Rafinha

Madrid are light at striker and at the back, so they would most likely do the same thing. So if it gets levied against them before January they would have to delay it for then, and have the ban be for next summer and winter 2017. \

Which would mean that DDG can go there on a free but cant play for a season basically, don't know if he is willing to do that. So its a tin foil hat conspiracy but maybe United expect something like that to happen and hope it persuades him to stay

that makes no sense though. Why negotiate a deal with Real and have van Gaal convince Navas via phone if they intend to botch the deal? If they didn't want De Gea to join Real now they could have just, you know, rejected their offer. I don't know if Real botched the deal on purpose or not, but I'm pretty sure United didn't.

Speculation now grows that De Gea will re-sign with United so that he's not in the stands this season. With Euros coming up, it's important that he plays, so I wouldn't be shocked if they were able to convince him to pen a new deal. Would be massive for United. Just include a realistic buyout clause so that he can still go to Real next summer and be done with it.

[Locke]

So, is everyone happy with their teams' transfer window business?

From what I'm reading the experts are being pretty generous to Liverpool and pretty hard on United, but I think its hard to dispute that City and Chelsea did well.

[Pagal4321]

Arsenal did awesome, I'm so glad they managed to solve the issues that have been plaguing this team for years and year. Addressing the striker and defensive midfielder position is a huge win.

Sorry, I've been wanting to post this for years...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Arsenal did awesome, I'm so glad they managed to solve the issues that have been plaguing this team for years and year. Addressing the striker and defensive midfielder position is a huge win.

Sorry, I've been wanting to post this for years...

Arsenal's work in this window was hilarious, it was like Wenger went on vacation and just came back.

"Oh hey Petr, um, say....where is everyone?"

[Addick]

While I am rather disappointed that Arsenal failed to improve and strengthen in areas that would allow us to become genuine title contenders, I am aware that it really isn’t as easy as throwing players into a trolley at the supermarket. In order to improve up front, we need a top level striker that has a different style than Giroud. Unfortunately, there is a shortage of these players and it would have been a waste to buy someone that can score different goals but the same number.

Although I’m not aggrieved at the clubs inability to bring in a World Class striker, I believe it is suicidal to rely on Arteta and Flaminin to provide cover for Coquelin. The Coq is rightly our first choice DM and finding a DM that is better than Flamini should not be an impossible challenge.

[Locke]

And, to the shock and awe of absolutely no one, the Spanish FA backs up Real's story.

Real Madrid's account of David De Gea's failed transfer is closer to the truth than Manchester United's version of events, according to Spanish Professional Football League (LFP) president Javier Tebas.

http://www.espnfc.com/story/2593526/...han-man-united

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Arsenal did awesome, I'm so glad they managed to solve the issues that have been plaguing this team for years and year. Addressing the striker and defensive midfielder position is a huge win.

Sorry, I've been wanting to post this for years...

Can probably just recycle this post for Spurs. Levy did his typical thing and tried to wait until the last minute to lowball West Brom and as usual it failed.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by devo22

that makes no sense though. Why negotiate a deal with Real and have van Gaal convince Navas via phone if they intend to botch the deal? If they didn't want De Gea to join Real now they could have just, you know, rejected their offer. I don't know if Real botched the deal on purpose or not, but I'm pretty sure United didn't.

Speculation now grows that De Gea will re-sign with United so that he's not in the stands this season. With Euros coming up, it's important that he plays, so I wouldn't be shocked if they were able to convince him to pen a new deal. Would be massive for United. Just include a realistic buyout clause so that he can still go to Real next summer and be done with it.

ya I dont believe it, thats why I said tin foil hat conspiracy

Gabriele Marcotti ‏@Marcotti Aug 31
May have had their battles, may have them again, but Real Madrid + Manchester United are steadfast allies right now.

Sid Lowe ‏@sidlowe Aug 31
@Marcotti we think.... (I'm not ruling out some silly buggers being played behind scenes here)

Gabriele Marcotti ‏@Marcotti Aug 31
@sidlowe can you imagine? Even they wouldn't dare…


Sid Lowe ‏@sidlowe Aug 31
@Marcotti I don't know, I can imagine some pretty crazy $^%$ (and the truth is always worse)

[Locke]

And now comes the rest of the story.

Monaco vice-president Vadim Vasilyev says the Ligue 1 club turned down a succession of offers from Manchester United before agreeing to part with Anthony Martial for a fee of £57.6 million.

Martial, 19, signed for United earlier this week in a deal reported to be worth £36m up front.


French media reported that the transfer fee could eventually rise to €80m (£58m) when bonuses were included, which would make him the most expensive French player in history.


And Vasilyev appeared to confirm that information as he said the final price would be £57.6m when "very realistic" bonuses are taken into account.

On Thursday French newspaper Le Parisien indicated the transfer included three bonus payments, each worth €10 million.

The first will be paid when Martial scores 25 goals in all competitions for United and the second will be triggered if he earns 25 caps for France between now and June 2019.


The third will come into effect should Martial win the Ballon d'Or as the world's best player between now and the end of his four-year contract at Old Trafford.


The paper also claims that Martial will receive a bonus of €1.15m every time that Manchester United qualify for the Champions League.

http://www.espnfc.us/story/2594161/a...million-monaco
It seems that the bonuses are spread over the length of the contract, so hes got 4 years to score 25 goals (per season or in total?) which seems fairly easy if its in total and hes got 4 years to acquire the French Caps, which seems likely.

I dont know about that Ballon d'Or though, but then again I dont know anything about this kid. That one seems unlikely.

Seems to me that Monaco took United for a ride unless this kid turns out to be one of the best strikers in the world.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

and they offered 50 and wouldnt go up 10m?

thats insane, he would be their best player by an insane margin

And when you look at the revised numbers in the Martial deal it makes even less sense.

[devo22]

guys you don't seriously believe the Reus BS, right?

not too fussed about the Martial fee, to be honest. United have so much money that they can afford a gamble. If it pays off and he fulfills all of his bonuses, he's one of the best players in the world. If not, then well, the Glazers have a few million less to put in their pockets.

pretty funny that United gets ridiculed so much for a transfer window that brought Schweinsteiger, Depay, Darmian and Schneiderlin to Old Trafford.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by devo22

guys you don't seriously believe the Reus BS, right?

not too fussed about the Martial fee, to be honest. United have so much money that they can afford a gamble. If it pays off and he fulfills all of his bonuses, he's one of the best players in the world. If not, then well, the Glazers have a few million less to put in their pockets.

pretty funny that United gets ridiculed so much for a transfer window that brought Schweinsteiger, Depay, Darmian and Schneiderlin to Old Trafford.

I actually agree, I think United did well in this window outside of the Martial thing which is very weird.

Although ridicule is deserved on both sides for the De Gea fiasco.

[devo22]

Zorc and Watzke regarding the Reus rumour from ESPN (translated from a Bild article):

According to "ESPN FC" in England, Manchester United offered 68 million euros for Marco Reus during the negotiations to Adnan Januzaj (20). Dortmund, however, should have only considered 80 million euros. That was too much for United and coach Louis van Gaal.

BVB can only laugh about that rumor. Manager Michael Zorc (53): "A very creative fairytale." Boss Watzke clarifies: "There's nothing to it, we have not even talked to ManUnited about Marco."

[Locke]

Originally Posted by devo22

Zorc and Watzke regarding the Reus rumour from ESPN (translated from a Bild article):

Yeah I take all of it with a grain of salt because everyone says that every time.

[Bagor]

From a football pov I don't like it but from a business and sticking it to Madrid pov I can't disagree with this.

Break the deadlock. Sign a new contract with a release clause of 30M and you get to play. Don't and you miss Euro 2016.

t was a question that was always going to come, and when it did, Vicente del Bosque’s answer will have seen a smile rip across Louis van Gaal’s face. “If he doesn’t play,” said Del Bosque of Manchester United keeper David De Gea, “it will be very difficult for him to come [to the Euros].”
And just like that, for the first time in over a year, Manchester United had some leverage.
For the last 12 months, with the clock ticking down on De Gea’s Old Trafford deal and the 24-year-old showing no intention of signing a new one amid such strong interest from Madrid, this has been a one-way street - De Gea heading out of Manchester and United helpless. Their offers of contract renewals were turned down or ignored, their attempts to strong-arm him pointless. The player held all the aces.

Del Bosque’s comments, however, could have turned the tide slightly. Granted, it still seems incredibly likely that in a year’s time, David De Gea will be a Real Madrid player. Most likely he will sign on a Bosman in the summer and pick up a hefty signing-on fee and salary.
But look at what else the Spain coach said. “I hope that he starts playing again and is happy. If he plays well we can bring him along [to Euro 2016].”
De Gea hasn’t made an appearance for United this season, and if they continue to freeze him out then there seems little doubt that he’ll be omitted from the squad for next summer’s European Championships... which is why United should be in no rush to welcome him back into the side.

Louis van Gaal now knows that whether David De Gea plays in his first major tournament is entirely in his hands, and that is why he must leverage it for a new deal. It is obvious that De Gea doesn’t want to stay long-term at the club, and that is fine, but a new deal containing, for example, a £30million release clause will ensure United don’t lose out on a fee for one of the world’s top keepers. It would also mean De Gea wouldn’t have to go another season being paid well below his worth, and would shift all of the pressure onto the player.
Indeed, how would it look to the Spanish public if an international player would rather reject a new deal and sit an entire season on the sidelines, knowing he’d miss Euro 2016, than get back out on the pitch with a new deal full of escape clauses?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...e-over-6403312

[cam_wmh]

Honestly, what did United do wrong with de Gea?

They didn't want to sell him, and those terrorists come that morning to perform a massive, complicated (with another player throw-in), transaction in a matter of a few hours.

They can get ####ed.