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Old 03-13-2015, 09:43 PM   #281
Cleveland Steam Whistle
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The above makes no sense.



Actually sports is a rare place where we have completely universally accepted measurements for "good". Such as goals and wins. This is why sports analytics is so popular, it's so black and white.



What you are saying here is the rough equivalent of claiming that calculators are not good for discovering the sum of two numbers.

Studying these kinds of phenomenons is essentially what statistical analysis was developed for. If fights worked in the way you described, statistics would probably show it. Statistics should not only tell us that the correlation exists, but it also put some kind of a number on how common the connection is.


Also, again, I'm not arguing that fights never have an effect on games. Arguing against that is arguing against a straw man. I'm just saying that
1) they very probably don't ALWAYS rally the troops, or even close to that
2) it seems IMO likely that fights very, very rarely actually have an effect on games.


It's also worth noting that nobody is asking for anything even resembling definite proof. What people are asking is some evidence beyond the anecdotal that there's a possibility this phenomenon exists. This is an extremely low bar to set. It's like asking "could you show me the car before I buy it" and getting "no that's impossible, but trust me it exists" for an answer. Should be understandable that such an answer creates some scepticism.

(What I mean by "low bar" is that a statistical correlation doesn't actually prove cause and effect, it just implies that a connection might exist. Even if fights and comeback wins DID correlate, this might just be because both comeback wins and fights are often caused by teams being pissed off about being down in a game.)
You literally selectively quoted me, cut out sentences from my post so you didn't have to address what I actually said........ That likely says it all. Don't bother replying or engaging to my posts if you are literally going to only read the words you want to read and ignor everything you aren't able to counter. It's just rediculous.
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