[PGT] Ramo and friends 5 Coilers 2

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by troutman

Many Oiler fans keep saying they are "better on paper". Just not true. Scoreboard does not lie (going back many games). The rink has three zones.

My EA Sports teams look awesome on paper, but I doubt that they would actually win games in the real world.

The Oilers are a prime example of what happens when you try to build a team with a etch a sketch, a magic 8 ball, a He Man Castle of Grayskull play set and a prospects edition of the hockey news.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by AC

Just a reminder that tonight is the regular season opener for the Adirondack Flames at 5pm.

I'll be watching and posting highlights as the game goes on in the Propsects forum, but may also post the clips here as well.

Awesome! It will be great to have some video and gifs instead of just me there alone typing.

I will be putting up that GDT in a little bit in the back burner forum. Just finishing it up actually.

[#-3]

I've already made the "this Guy Scored" poster with the Brodie one. I just don't really know where to drop stuff on the internet so that I can link the picture on this board?

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The only thing is that it is crazy that the Oilers still suck just as bad after 3 first overall picks, 7 top 10 picks, and 8 years of rebuilding.

It takes a rare level of organizational ineptitude and arrogance to bring that about. Luckily for Flames fans, that's what we have in Edmonton..........

[heep223]

Originally Posted by #-3

I've already made the "this Guy Scored" poster with the Brodie one. I just don't really know where to drop stuff on the internet so that I can link the picture on this board?

imgur.com

Make an account, look at some cats, upload your image it to said account, and then use the "direct link" url provided.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Ruttiger

It takes a rare level of organizational ineptitude and arrogance to bring that about. Luckily for Flames fans, that's what we have in Edmonton..........

May this never change.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

New strategy for game 2:

Oilers: Take the fall! Act hurt! Get indignant!

That could be a bad strategy against the Canucks. You can't beat the experts at their own game.

[topfiverecords]

[AcGold]

Raymond and Colborne need to play together and Monahan, Hudler and Johnny need to be together. Gaudreau and Colbornes styles clash because one is north south and the other is an east west player and they'll never work together.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Raymond and Colborne need to play together and Monahan, Hudler and Johnny need to be together. Gaudreau and Colbornes styles clash because one is north south and the other is an east west player and they'll never work together.

So you've come to that conclusion already? I completely disagree. Colborne is an intelligent player and I have no doubt he can learn to play with a brilliant creative winger. You also aren't giving JG enough credit. It is way too early to make such extreme judgements.

[Street Pharmacist]

This made me laugh

Enough that I'm going to tweet it.

Had to work last night, so I PVR'd it and just finished watching it.

Some notes:

Oilers controlled play for good portions of the game, but didn't get any dangerous chances 5v5. I tried to keep now of "ten bell chances". If you ranked them, flames had 7 of the top ten chances of the game. A lot of the Oilers shots were no traffic type shots. The Flames owned their slot.

Not many flames looked good.
-Raymond had lots of chances, not just the goals.
-Glencross looked great
-Bouma was awesome. The guy is so underrated because he plays such an understated game
-Ramo was great, but want really tested with that many top quality SA. Saying that, he didn't let in anything either.
-Schultz wears the horns here IMO. That last goal was telling, but not the only time. Bouma and Gio block shots when losing 5-1 in the third period of the last meaningless game of the season last year. Schultz drifted back to help a 4 on two down low and put no effort in. When down 3-2 he whispers sweet nothings in Raymond's ear while he directs the puck in because he doesn't want to dirty his jersey. That's why they don't win. You can't just turn it off and on. The best players just can't give up all time. That is why culture matters

[AcGold]

It's not an extreme judgement, it's obvious. Colborne likes to play north south, drive the net and build up speed on rushes through the neutral zone. Johnny likes to skate around players and moves side to side extremely fast and it's how he gets around people whereas Colborne shields the puck with his leg and his reach.

It's a bad combo because neither compliments each other, they won't be able to pass back and forth much because their styles are opposite. When Johnny passes to Joe he will be standing still and when Colborne tries to pass he'll be moving north and Johnny will have to mirror the same speed and motion or they'll be offside/kill the scoring chances. Hudler and Monahan are much better complimentary players for Johnny's style and will make it possible to elude players left to right. Colborne would be perfect with Raymond because they both play north south and can generate scoring chances driving the net. A strictly north south guy with a dominantly east west guy will make for a lot of starting and stopping, lacking flow and tempo and generally making it hard to score. Why I think that eventually Colborne and Raymond wind up together, they are a perfect combo. Speed, size and a good shot driving the net.

[Street Pharmacist]

I'd love to see Backlund and Johnny together

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's not an extreme judgement, it's obvious. Colborne likes to play north south, drive the net and build up speed on rushes through the neutral zone. Johnny likes to skate around players and moves side to side extremely fast and it's how he gets around people whereas Colborne shields the puck with his leg and his reach.

It's a bad combo because neither compliments each other, they won't be able to pass back and forth much because their styles are opposite. When Johnny passes to Joe he will be standing still and when Colborne tries to pass he'll be moving north and Johnny will have to mirror the same speed and motion or they'll be offside/kill the scoring chances. Hudler and Monahan are much better complimentary players for Johnny's style and will make it possible to elude players left to right. Colborne would be perfect with Raymond because they both play north south and can generate scoring chances driving the net. A strictly north south guy with a dominantly east west guy will make for a lot of starting and stopping, lacking flow and tempo and generally making it hard to score. Why I think that eventually Colborne and Raymond wind up together, they are a perfect combo. Speed, size and a good shot driving the net.

You may prove to be right over time that they aren't a good combo, who knows, it's actually too early to tell. But your argument is flawed from the get go on the premise that they don't go together well because one is a North/South and one is an East/West player.

I do actually understand what you are getting at, but one, you are bucketing both those players far to broadly, likely undermining Colborne's ability to play east/west, and likely trumping JG as more of an East/West player than he necessarily is.

And two, since when do North/South and East/West players not compliment each other? If anything, too much East/West or North/South on the same line is a bad thing, not having a nice balance on the line. Iginla and Tanguay lit it up together, and they were literally an North/South and East / West combo by your defineintions.

[442scotty]

Just went to the Oilers HFboard to read some of the things they had to say about the game. Very entertaining and satisfying . Most of the people are basket cases having been putting up with the oilers for so long...

Personally I want the oilers to win just enough games to miss the playoffs and miss the top 4-5 picks in the draft. They would just ruin their picks anyway. Can you the look of horror on McDavids face if the Oilers got him!

Edmonton... where promising hockey careers go to die...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

Many Oiler fans keep saying they are "better on paper". Just not true. Scoreboard does not lie (going back many games). The rink has three zones.

That's the best part. Their first line is better on paper. That's it.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'd love to see Backlund and Johnny together

I've been saying Gaudreau-Backlund-Byron.

It just seems like it would be impossible to get the puck away from them. The backchecking and forechecking from this line would also be awesome. Very high hockey IQ. Hope we get to see it sooner than later.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I do actually understand what you are getting at, but one, you are bucketing both those players far to broadly, likely undermining Colborne's ability to play east/west, and likely trumping JG as more of an East/West player than he necessarily is.

And two, since when do North/South and East/West players not compliment each other? If anything, too much East/West or North/South on the same line is a bad thing, not having a nice balance on the line. Iginla and Tanguay lit it up together, and they were literally an North/South and East / West combo by your defineintions.

You underestimate the extent to which they contrast I think. Colborne moves side to side hardly at all if ever, meaning his feet and direction of skating. Gaudreau is one of the fastest in the league at moving side to side and he excels when he catches other players standing still on broken plays. I do know how the playmaking of ability of Tanguay and the power forward aspects of Iginla went well but Gaudreau and Colborne don't match that dynamic much if at all.

Gaudreau was noticeable most shifts until he was paired with Colborne at which point it seems like he turned 180, obviously a small sample size and I could be wrong. It just seems that most of Gaudreau's opportunities involve moving around players with plays generated from the neutral zone where Colborne likes to pick up speed from the defensive end on a breakout so their styles kind of contrast and neither will be at their best at the same time.

[Flash Walken]

Put in the column that isn't sure how well Gaudreau and Colbourne work together but part of that is I think Colbourne should be utilized on a 'pressure' line and Gaudreau should be doing more cleanup duty on a lower matchup with a guy like Stajan or Monahan.

[djsFlames]

Raymond - Monahan - Colborne
Gaudreau - Backlund - Byron

I think could be good line experiments.