Not surprised, Canucks fans help bring it upon themselves. From reading on other forums they always seem to say things like "Shinkaruk is going to make Calgary regret passing on him" etc, as if Calgary was the only team that passed on him.
Shinkaruk is a great prospect, I just hate that Canucks fans always bring him and Calgary up at the same time.
he's brought up here all the time always in a negative sense, has people actively cheering against him
I haven't seen a lot of the 'Calgary will regret passing on him' but I am not surprised if there is
anytime someone local is drafted a few spots after that team picked it's going to be a story
he's brought up here all the time always in a negative sense, has people actively cheering against him
I haven't seen a lot of the 'Calgary will regret passing on him' but I am not surprised if there is
anytime someone local is drafted a few spots after that team picked it's going to be a story
From doing some reading on the "other hockey forum" its seems to be brought up quite a bit, im of the opinion that the Canucks are happy with Shinkaruk and the Flames are equally as happy with Poirier, simple as that.
I've watched Shinkaruk develop pretty much since he started skating. His skill has always been evident. I've played on the same team as him (not at high level) but I never saw any major attitude problems.
I doubt if the Flames passed on Klimchuk and he was drafted by the Bruins there would be any similar type of story. Shinkaruk dropped in the draft and was taken two picks after the Flames pick by another Canadian team.
Canuck fans have just had really bad history of losing the local talent (Neely and Lucic come to mind), and they just feel the need for others to share in their pain. It's probably had an impact on why they took local boy Virtanen this year instead of Ritchie, both guys are pretty similar with similar upside.
You don't hear Jets fans, Stars fans, or even Flames fans making fun of the Oilers for taking Steve Kelly over Shane Doan or Jarome Iginla.
Every team has different draft lists and most management executives don't even have local ties to the City that they work in, so it's really irrelevant. You don't draft guys just because they are born in your City.
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So having returned home from a great birthday weekend in Penticton I thought I'd share my 2c.
***I will premise this as always with the statement that my observations have lead me to believe both Tyler Myers and Luke Schenn wouldn't make the show, and that Derek Pouliot is amazing (that may still come true).
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-The Oilers/Flames game was too goony. I'm all for fights and big hits, but there were too many kids on the ice trying to make a name for themselves the wrong way. Combine that with the usual lack of chemistry with a team that's never played together and you get way too few good highlights and way too many whistles. It seemed like everyone was trying to end someone's career. That's fine on a meaningful game, but when these teams are sending their best in a meaningless evaluation, it's a risk that will end up killing the tournament IMO. Plus it makes for bad hockey.
-The Oilers had very little skill out there from what my all-day-birthday-drinking eyes could see. That little kid (Tchakev?) oozed skill though. The only problem seemed to be his disregard for the puck from the red line to his own net and his fear of any player heading in his direction. Baled on the puck a few times
-That Oesterle kid's head rebounded off that stantion at the end of the bench so violently. I think Smith hit him. Don't know how he kept going
-Didn't get to see the Bennett-Gaudreau combo often enough because of all the PKs, but they seem to have a little chemistry.
-Ferland makes a lot of simple, smart plays
-Carroll reminds me of Bouma. Will do whatever he needs to help his team. Can't have enough of that character
-McDonald didn't impress me, but I'm terrible at reading goalies
-Kanzig's toolbox consists of shooting the puck off the glass and falling down. Way smarter hockey people than me seemed to like him last year, but I don't see it. Soooooooooo slow with his first few steps
Canucks Game:
-Subban is terrible. Soft, scared and a giveaway machine. Pinched at really weird times too.
-Shinkaruk. Scored a goalmouth scramble goal, and tipped one in at the end. The reason he was all alone so close to the net was because the puck was going back the other way and he was doddling when the Jets turned it over right at their own blueline. He also dropped like a hot potato when he took a shot to the face on a scrum for the puck. Stayed down for about 15 seconds and had a courtesy look to the official to make sure a call was made. I counted three times he took a shot on the pp when he was fully covered and the goalie was set up for his shot. The Jets didn't even seem to challenge a pass, just got in the way of the inevitable shot
-Corrado looked like a pro except for two times where the puck bounced over his stick. He still took the man though preventing a breakaway. He wasn't spectacular, but you could tell he was a pro.
-Petan is just so solid. Never panics, forechecks like his life depends on it and was so confident with the puck. Surprisingly solid when shielding the puck from much bigger players too. He'll be a good one
-Vancouver's most noticeable player to me was Valk. If he was bigger he would make it I think. Smart plays and gets the puck out of trouble when helping the d
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That little kid (Tchakev?) oozed skill though. The only problem seemed to be his disregard for the puck from the red line to his own net and his fear of any player heading in his direction. Baled on the puck a few times
Sounds like a perfect Oiler prospect.
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He also dropped like a hot potato when he took a shot to the face on a scrum for the puck. Stayed down for about 15 seconds and had a courtesy look to the official to make sure a call was made.
Sounds like a perfect Canuck prospect.
Meanwhile, Gaudreau's goal on Friday night was the TSN Highlight of the Night, and ESPN even contacted the Flames to get the video to include on their Sportscenter Top Plays of the Day.
Sounds like a perfect Flame prospect.
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he's brought up here all the time always in a negative sense, has people actively cheering against him
I haven't seen a lot of the 'Calgary will regret passing on him' but I am not surprised if there is
anytime someone local is drafted a few spots after that team picked it's going to be a story
Nope, people here dislike him because of the kind of player he is. Has nothing to do with the Flames passing on him.
It's the same reason many here dislike Yakupov. One dimensional, doesn't play the game the right way, and has a huge attitude problem to boot. Simply put, he's a goof. Plus since Hunter is a local kid many here can personally attest to those qualities.
You love to defend him and that's fine, but the reason he's so disliked around here is because of the kind of player and teammate he is.
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I think the Jets will be safe and have him play in the CHL again. But, I wouldn't be surprised if he makes the team. He has the speed and skill to make it in the NHL this year. Quite the steal for the Jets, I thought he was going to go after Dal Colle.
Slightly off topic, but has anyone been watching any of the other rookie tournaments? The Blackhawks have a young British d, Paul Swindlehurst, as a camp invitee and wondered if he was out of his depth or not. It's not often Brits get invited to play at a decent level, so I'm interested to see how he's doing.
- Granlund/ferland/gaudreau looked like they are ready to make a real case come training camp
- bennet looked good, but don't see any need for him to make the move to the NHL this year. he's a tenacious player, a year of growth will make him a lock next year.
- gaudreau looked great, but i think he needs to get at least a month in at the AHL level to really learn how to avoid getting in positions to take big hits. his skill and vision are ready for the NHL though.
- curious about klimchuk, had a great final game, but other than that, didn't really jump out as a former 1st round pick
- smith is huge.... curious how he looks next camp after a year of hopefully rounding out his offensive game
- our d prospects are severly lacking. thought ramage was our best dman, and kanzig was decent. seiloff was a better skater than i thought but can be a careless with the puck
other team thoughts:
- thought winnipeg/calgary were ahead overall as far as the teams go this tournament. even though they lost to the oilers by a goal, they dominated the game and the shots despite being severely shorthanded most of the game
- really liked ehlers and petan's games
- wish we say draisatl/nurse in the oiler game
- heard nurse handed out a pretty nasty knee on knee hit.... i actually think oiler fans should be excited that they have a bit of a nasty edge guy in nurse
- horvat came as advertised as a solid 2 way guy, but didn't see any game breaking offense from the canucks. shinkaruk seems a bit selfish in his play, and not overly effective at even this prospect camp level. was surprised at how average their other forward prospects (fox, gaunce, jensen) looked. Too bad we couldn't see their 1st round picks from this year.
· Flames end the tournament with Ferland and Jooris the #1 and #2 top scorers, and Granlund in a four-way tie for third.
· Among the top-fourteen producers—all of whom scored at least 3 points, the Flames boast six players.
· Flames lead the tournament in goals for and against by a wide margin: 15 gf and 9 ga in 3 games — a plus-6 rating that is five better than the next best team. The Flames scored one more goal than Winnipeg, and allowed two less goals than Edmonton.
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