[Rumour] Buffalo's and Florida's 1st round picks are in play

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Further to the point, my initial post was to generate discussion regarding TO moving up, and what it would take from our side to drop to #8.

I'm not interested in any other player on their roster other than Kessel. Maybe I didn't intimate that clearly enough. I guess I can understand how it would be misconstrued to generate EHRMAGERD must.....post.....hilarity....

I clearly said I wasn't interested in trading the #4, but if TO was that high on the players in the top 4 I don't consider it unless Kessel comes the other way. Kadri doesn't do it (for me), and neither do their prospects (that I can see from my limited exposure to them).

My line of thinking was Calgary has cap room. Dion is a boat anchor. #4 has the ability to be another franchise player, and TO can't win with the current group. Would they trade Kessel in that package to dump Phaneuf and pick up a (possible) franchise forward? Possibly. But if he's not in the deal I'm not interested.

Clear enough for everyone?

What does intimate mean?

I don't see toronto dealing eith Kessel or Van R

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

What does intimate mean?

1in·ti·mate verb \ˈin-tə-ˌmāt\
: to say or suggest (something) in an indirect way

transitive verb
1: to make known especially publicly or formally : announce
2: to communicate delicately and indirectly : hint
— in·ti·mat·er noun
— in·ti·ma·tion noun

Examples of INTIMATE

<trying to intimate that there was more going on than anyone knew>
Is he really—as his advisers keep intimating to Western journalists—a serious reformer waiting to emerge from the closet? —Murray Scot Tanner, Newsweek, 6 May 2002

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

1in·ti·mate verb \ˈin-tə-ˌmāt\
: to say or suggest (something) in an indirect way

transitive verb
1: to make known especially publicly or formally : announce
2: to communicate delicately and indirectly : hint
— in·ti·mat·er noun
— in·ti·ma·tion noun

Examples of INTIMATE

<trying to intimate that there was more going on than anyone knew>
Is he really—as his advisers keep intimating to Western journalists—a serious reformer waiting to emerge from the closet? —Murray Scot Tanner, Newsweek, 6 May 2002

Interesting, thanks.

[Cflames_12.5]

I thought about the idea of moving down in the draft and I don't like it. And here's why. The idea of trading away our fourth OA pick and whatever player that turns out to be, turns into a Kopitar or Getzlaf type of player would be hard to swallow. It would have to be a stupidly one sided trade in our favor to not keep myself awake every night wondering why we traded away our future.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12

I thought about the idea of moving up in the draft and I don't like it. And here's why. The idea of trading away our fourth OA pick and whatever player that turns out to be, turns into a Kopitar or Getzlaf type of player would be hard to swallow. It would have to be a stupidly one sided trade in our favor to not keep myself awake every night wondering why we traded away our future.

I assume you mean you are against trading down.

[Cflames_12.5]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I assume you mean you are against trading down.

Yeah that's what I meant thanks

[Flames_F.T.W]

I would only move down if it were for a package involving a young center and a top 10 pick. A completely hypothetical situation such as Kadri & 8th OA for a B prospect and 4th OA would be alright in my mind. We get a more proven commodity that's a couple years along in development, but can still grab a young blue chipper like Ritchie, Vertanen, Fleur, Nylander, etc..

I would rather draft at 4th, but a situation like I described would be something I could stomach if we move down.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I am all for Ritchie if we move down, just not at #4.

[sureLoss]

Kristen Odland @KristenOdlandCH
On the #Flames interest in the 1st overall pick, GM Brad Treliving: "We'll see. You're managing it all the time. Is it realistic?" #NHL

[Tron_fdc]

Not sure I want the #1. It's gonna cost us, and I don't think the price is worth it if Ekblad is the target (do we need him)?

I really really like Bennett. I would MAYBE roll the dice and give up something to Buffalo (likely less than what it would take to get the #1 from Florida) and pick up #2 to take Bennett. If he isn't there take Ekblad, or try and trade the pick to someone in the 5-8 order who has a major boner for him, and (as they say) illegally fornicate them for it.

I just love this though. My head might explode from all the "what if" scenarios, which makes this draft pretty exciting.

[Flame12]

I think we will end up with one of the Sams hoping for Reinhart then maybe getting Griffen in a deal and having all 3 brothers.

[Gaskal]

From the sounds of it, Treliving's thrown his initial offer to get the 1st but Tallon asked for more, and seems content on letting things play out up until draft day where they have a good idea of what they're willing to give up vs where the price has ended up at.

Given how aggressive other teams are it's more likely that we won't trade up and stay at 4.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Not sure I want the #1. It's gonna cost us, and I don't think the price is worth it if Ekblad is the target (do we need him)?

Have you looked at our defensive prospect pool? Yes we need him, more so than any other player in this draft.

[#-3]

The only Trade up I could see the Flames making is to #2 if Ekblad is their guy and Florida already picks a Sam.

I think they would only offer something like a third, to move up 2 spots.

Buffalo would be thinking, if they stay.

1 Sam?'
2 Sam?
3 Ekblad
4 Draisaitl

or if they trade
1 Sam?
2 Ekblad
3 Draistaitl
4 Sam? + a 3rd. Same player + an extra pick


I think when the players are this close the teams usually have a better idea of who the other teams, "guy" is than one would think. So Buffalo would know if this would actually play out right

[ForeverFlameFan]

I am starting to just warm up to the idea of just staying at #4 more than anything. No need to trade assets on a team that is trying to rebuild, we need to have as much assets as possible. I am fine with any of the top 4. Call me crazy, but the Oilers will most likely be picking a center this draft, they'd rather have that #2 center than Ekblad imo.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Have you looked at our defensive prospect pool? Yes we need him, more so than any other player in this draft.

Maybe, but I don't think it's worth what it would likely cost to get the #1

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I am starting to just warm up to the idea of just staying at #4 more than anything. No need to trade assets on a team that is trying to rebuild, we need to have as much assets as possible. I am fine with any of the top 4. Call me crazy, but the Oilers will most likely be picking a center this draft, they'd rather have that #2 center than Ekblad imo.

If the cost is right - like 4th OA + Colorado's 2nd I'd do it in a heartbeat. Burke has been known to make a big splash for drafts.

Realistically though it'd take more - our only leverage vs others wanting to move up is that Calgary's pick is still within the top 4 - the most hyped upper echelon, whereas teams like Toronto, Vancouver are on the outside looking in and will have to give up roster players anyway.

Regarding Ekblad falling I think Lowe and MacT have too much of a hockey boner for him for cooler heads to prevail. Screw them.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

So on 107 this morning they were talking about how the Flames are one of three teams that have very serious offers in to Tallon. I have no link as it was on the drive in this morning about 7:10ish, but they seemed very convinced that the Flames were making a serious play for Florida's pick.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I wonder if we are going for Reinhart? My assumption is we thought we could get him at #4, but now we are thinking he won't get past 3 teams, let alone Florida or Buffalo.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Maybe, but I don't think it's worth what it would likely cost to get the #1

Well we don't know what that is, it might be as low as Colorado's 2nd or our own. If that is what it takes you do it every time. Saw Ekblad play a lot in the OHL and I am pretty confident he will be a top 2 defenseman.