[News] Cammalleri has NOT been traded. Upd: Cammalleri likely heading to free agency

[CaramonLS]

I honestly thought some team would look past his garbage year for his superb success in the playoffs whenever he has gotten in.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I honestly thought some team would look past his garbage year for his superb success in the playoffs whenever he has gotten in.

I can't believe the garbage year he's having, aside from his first 14 games.

Unless he finishes the season strong, he's going to have a tough time getting 4M in the summer. As we witnessed today, he's not too highly sought after around the league.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I honestly thought some team would look past his garbage year for his superb success in the playoffs whenever he has gotten in.

Teams did. Teams made offers. What Burke fails to realize is that the market sets the value of players, not him. It sure would help us fans to let us know what was offered instead of saying it was lowball or giving him away. Picks obtained from a Cammy deal could have been used to package or trade up in the draft. Any win that was obtained by the Berra deal is offset by Burke's inability to move Cammy.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Teams did. Teams made offers. What Burke fails to realize is that the market sets the value of players, not him. It sure would help us fans to let us know what was offered instead of saying it was lowball or giving him away. Picks obtained from a Cammy deal could have been used to package or trade up in the draft. Any win that was obtained by the Berra deal is offset by Burke's inability to move Cammy.

I'm pretty sure not having that extra 3rd/4th isn't going to break our back for moving up in the draft.

[djsFlames]

I don't think you guys were listening to Burke. It's not that he wasn't sought after, it's the fact that there were just Better pieces like Kesler/Vanek potentially on the block that teams couldn't miss out on, which Burke says caused a logjam on trades until the last minute. I think if Van announced they weren't dealing Kesler and Vanek was dealt 30 minutes early, they would've worked out a deal for Cammy that they liked.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Teams did. Teams made offers. What Burke fails to realize is that the market sets the value of players, not him. It sure would help us fans to let us know what was offered instead of saying it was lowball or giving him away. Picks obtained from a Cammy deal could have been used to package or trade up in the draft. Any win that was obtained by the Berra deal is offset by Burke's inability to move Cammy.

Had he been offered a 2nd, he would have taken it. That'd be par with the Moulson/Vanek/Gaborik returns.

The fact we didn't see a trade tells me he wasn't offered that 2nd. Probably a 3rd like we got out of Stempniak. I'd like to have that 3rd, but I can understand Burke wanting to make a statement to the other GMs as well. That 80-90th pick only has about a 10% chance of being a player.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Teams did. Teams made offers. What Burke fails to realize is that the market sets the value of players, not him. It sure would help us fans to let us know what was offered instead of saying it was lowball or giving him away. Picks obtained from a Cammy deal could have been used to package or trade up in the draft. Any win that was obtained by the Berra deal is offset by Burke's inability to move Cammy.

Wrong. A market is not determined by an offer, it is determined by a trade (agreement from both sides).

If someone offers you $10k for your BMW, it doesn't mean that your BMW is only worth $10k

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wrong. A market is not determined by an offer, it is determined by a trade (agreement from both sides).

If someone offers you $10k for your BMW, it doesn't mean that your BMW is only worth $10k

Except in this case, I think it was more like 6 people, each offering you $10k. Which in that case, that is the market.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Except in this case, I think it was more like 6 people, each offering you $10k. Which in that case, that is the market.

Again, no it's not

Sometimes sellers rule the day, sometimes buyers do

If you dump every time the market drops, you will ALWAYS lose

[The Fonz]

There's a reason it's called market value. It's what the market is willing to pay for your product.

Ultimately Cammalleri's market value was low enough, Burke felt he'd be better off making a statement rather than accept that value.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

There's a reason it's called market value. It's what the market is willing to pay for your product.

Ultimately Cammalleri's market value was low enough, Burke felt he'd be better off making a statement rather than accept that value.

Again, 'market value' is where buyers and sellers meet, not where potential buyers bid

[The Fonz]

You're confused

[Enoch Root]

no I'm not. A bid is not a market, a trade is

[Jacks]

Enoch is right, market value is established between a willing buyer and a willing seller. If the seller isn't willing to take the offer then that does not constitute value. At least that's what they taught in the appraisal course I took 15 years ago.

[Scoreface]

Yeah, to knuckle under to a deal that is very underwhelming sets a poor precedent for not only Burke, but his successor as GM going forward.

Take a deep breath or two and let the dust settle here, I think. Gather a few thoughts. A healthy Cammalleri signed for a year or two and potentially producing better with a more mature Monahan perhaps and a decent free agent signing is more valuable down the line than what may have been a 2nd round pick in return.

I really wanted a deal too, but now I'm ok with things. Probably some hindsight goggles on with the deals Burke did swing, but even by itself, if little to nothing was offered, why not do the above?

Cammy likes it here and management seems to be respecting him in the process, not just dealing him anywhere. Maybe it comes back to bite them, but the real variables were in what was offered.

The only thing that bothers me is that Burke thought he has been real great this season when interviewed on TSN this morning. He hasn't been, for the most part. He's not posturing for other GM's when saying that. They don't watch that stuff.

Can he be better with better linemates and a new season if he signs? Sure he can, but it's not a given.

Will he sign? Will he be better and healthy?? Who knows.

Maybe a 3rd or 2nd rounder which was probably offered wasn't worth Burke's gut feeling in the whole matter.

[Meers]

I always felt that Cammi was massively over-valued by posters on this board and that he wouldn't generate the same return as a Derek Roy last season.

Sometimes you hate to be right.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Meers

I always felt that Cammi was massively over-valued by posters on this board and that he wouldn't generate the same return as a Derek Roy last season.

Sometimes you hate to be right.

I bet you were in the same group that thought Vanek/Moulson would fetch a first though.

A lot of people were wrong today, there were more wingers available than bidders.

[Ring of Fire]

I'm surprised Anaheim didn't pick up a forward. I thought they'd have Cammalleri as a consolation prize especially since Cammy has played for Boudreau before. Perhaps time ran out while waiting on Vanek/Moulson or the Ducks weren't willing to give Burke what he wanted. It seems to strange that the Ducks would ship out Penner without bringing in another forward. Something probably feel through.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

no I'm not. A bid is not a market, a trade is

Cammalleri is a pending UFA. Holding his rights at this point is like holding an option in the futures market... He has an expiry date. The leverage is not in the sellers court when your product is about to expire, the leverage is heavily weighed towards the buyer(s). What the buyers are willing to pay in this case ultimately determines his value.

In the case of Bouwmeester last trade deadline, you're right, because he was still under contract for a year and the tension for change wasn't there on our end. We had leverage. Cammalleri today? We had no leverage... The buyers determined his value. That's the whole reason why Burke tried to manufacture leverage in claiming he was going to re-sign him versus trade.

[Stay Golden]

Cammy showed good hands on tonights goal but I still wwould have preferred a deal was made to get even as low as a 2nd. Still not convinced he will resign and I can't see Burke gettimg any better than a 3rd now for a rights type trade at the draft.