[Rumour] H Sedin out for Olympics, M Johansson in

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by driveway

This is not true regarding advanced stats. It is true considering overall point production.

Backlund shows much more consistency year-to-year in the advanced metrics, particularly in Relative Corsi, Zone-starts, and Quality of Competition.

What's next a plus minus argument?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Your point? Backlund right now is no better than Johansson, so looking at their history is more than a fair way to establish separation between the two.

I think the point is that it's much better to take a player on a two month hot streak for your 10-day tournament than it is to take a player who is slightly better on average.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by strombad

I think the point is that it's much better to take a player on a two month hot streak for your 10-day tournament than it is to take a player who is slightly better on average.

I think he is more than slightly better. This is a guy that has been a much better offensive contributor than Backlund, not just marginally better.

[ranchlandsselling]

So does puckluck cheer for Team Canada now?

[Sune76]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I have no problem with the Johansson selection. I just said Backlund deserves to be on that team, and he does.

he deserves to be there over Jimmie Ericsson. THe other guys is debatable.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think he is more than slightly better. This is a guy that has been a much better offensive contributor than Backlund, not just marginally better.

He's been much better once (11-12). Otherwise the average difference between the two is around 5 or 6 points.

Defensively however, Backlund plays a better all-around game.

I'm not saying Backlund deserved it over Marcus, but it's not as simple as saying "take the guy who was better two seasons ago"

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by strombad

He's been much better once (11-12). Otherwise the average difference between the two is around 5 or 6 points.

Defensively however, Backlund plays a better all-around game.

I'm not saying Backlund deserved it over Marcus, but it's not as simple as saying "take the guy who was better two seasons ago"

This year the difference is 7 points. Last year it was 6. The year before was 21. The difference is 40 points over their short careers. Johansson has shown an ability to produce as a top 6 forward. Backlund has not. With being the replacement for Sedin, it really is that simple.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think he is more than slightly better. This is a guy that has been a much better offensive contributor than Backlund, not just marginally better.

More than slightly better?

The difference in points is entirely due to the PP. 5 on 5, Backlund is out-producing him. (neither of them would be seeing a lot of PP time for Sweden in all likelihood).

And Backlund is better defensively.

Saying he is more than a slightly better can only be based on what they did prior to this year. It simply isn't true today.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

This year the difference is 7 points. Last year it was 6. The year before was 21. The difference is 40 points over their short careers. Johansson has shown an ability to produce as a top 6 forward. Backlund has not. With being the replacement for Sedin, it really is that simple.

Yeah sorry, note what Enoch said. You can't make accurate analysis of a player based strictly on NHL.com's stat line.

It really is that simple

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

More than slightly better?

The difference in points is entirely due to the PP. 5 on 5, Backlund is out-producing him. (neither of them would be seeing a lot of PP time for Sweden in all likelihood).

And Backlund is better defensively.

Saying he is more than a slightly better can only be based on what they did prior to this year. It simply isn't true today.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

But I would much prefer the player that has been consistently better.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by strombad

Yeah sorry, note what Enoch said. You can't make accurate analysis of a player based strictly on NHL.com's stat line.

It really is that simple

and you can't make an accurate analysis when you are butt hurt because your own player didn't go.

I hate the Caps and everything about them. I have no reason to say Johansson is better other than the fact I believe he is. Obviously Sweden agrees with me.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

and you can't make an accurate analysis when you are butt hurt because your own player didn't go.



I hate the Caps and everything about them. I have no reason to say Johansson is better other than the fact I believe he is. Obviously Sweden agrees with me.

Huh? I enjoy Johansson far more than Backlund. So I'm not sure what sort of point you're trying to make.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

and you can't make an accurate analysis when you are butt hurt because your own player didn't go.

I hate the Caps and everything about them. I have no reason to say Johansson is better other than the fact I believe he is. Obviously Sweden agrees with me.

I don't think anyone's butt hurt here, just debating some players. But if you think calling us homers strengthens your argument, well okay then.

[handgroen]

I'll just leave this here.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Sweet. I will be cheering for Sweden if Backlund makes it.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Problem?

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Well, deal with it. I wasn't cheering for Canada either way. Nothing worse than arrogant Canadian fans. They'd be lucky to finish 4th. Quote me on that. They have a bad team and that is why I won't be cheering for them.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

They are a team with good players but not built like a team which is why I'm not cheering for them. Good players, bad team.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I wasn't being anti-Canada. I said I'd be cheering for Sweden if Backlund was on the team. Not sure how that was baiting moon. I am not cheering for team Canada. No idea why that annoys so much people. I don't like the team they assembled.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Canada. Not sure why that matters. Patriotism doesn't mean cheering for Canada at the Olympics.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

If saying I'm not cheering for Canada riles you up then I think you take hockey a bit too seriously.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I already have. Me and another CPer are having a $500 bet whether they pick up a medal or not.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I'll just leave this here.

congrats to RedJohn

[strombad]

Already made that classic post my sig.

The "quote me on that" line just makes it so perfect.

[Heavy Jack]

500 Bucks bet to see the team you love lose...



Thankfully.... or Regretfully... Regrankfully they won!

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by strombad

Already made that classic post my sig.

The "quote me on that" line just makes it so perfect.

quote me on that.

[trackercowe]

I thought that Puckluck didn't end up going through with the bet, or just purposely had himself banned to avoid it?

[vilzeh]

Is this Puckluck the guy who once said something like: "I have money, I don't care about money, I can bet whatever amount I want and I don't care if I lose, because I have the money." Anyhow, is he paying it?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by handgroen

I'll just leave this here.



















congrats to RedJohn

That is a perfect snap shot of that poster.

Thanks