Survivor Brains vs Brawn vs Beauty - Feb 26

[Pizza]

haha, glad they really limited Hormones' TV time on the live show

Glad Tony won... definitely a guy who played the game and played it well... though anyone who've put some thought into why they would reveal Tasha's vote for Woo, could've seen that Tony win a mile away.

Obviously she was the only one who vote for Woo, and it's dumb that the producers wanted to do the "unpredictable win" thing by showing it. Tasha was not obvious Woo vote. She was more of a swing vote.

I wish they would've asked the Jury how influential Spencer's speech was towards their vote. Tony should be sharing that million with Spencer

[d_phaneuf]

Theres a Probst interview on entertainment weekly where he says that its blood vs water 2 with an all new cast which I like

Redemption island is back too

[ernie]

When you have these "honor and honesty" players, I wish someone would ask these guys if they had ever played balderdash or some similar game and enjoyed it. Once getting the affirmative point out that the affirmative answer was because lying and what not are in the rules of the game, they are then fine with those rules and the rules of survivor are clearly the same. And then finally point out because you ignored those rules you were a terrible player who failed to use all the tools available to him and shouldn't win. Spencer sort of did that by mentioning that Tony owned the game and pleading to the jury for Tony but some of these players need to realize that this is NOT real life. IT IS A GAME. And you aren't competing your hardest if you ignore some of the most powerful tools available to you.

Woo failed to realize it and it cost him $1 million. People give him big respect for living the game like he lived his life. I don't. Seems admirable but within the rules of the game he is an idiot who did not compete as hard as he could or should have (the exact opposite of what he says he did IMO). A puppy dog like Spencer said.

[Cheese]

White Tiger and Komskies get the pleasure of splitting the virtual million dollar prize! Enjoy.

[killer_carlson]

I don't necessarily agree that Woo should be dissed for playing the honest game.

I hate it as a viewer when totally undeserving messes are the only jury votes. It turns into a vote over who lost the million rather than who won it. Had Kass been there instead of Tony, that is what we would be talking about today. I respect someone who wants to beat the best - Woo didn't put up much of a fight though.

I also thought Spencer was a bit much. Had Woo been more well spoken, I think he could have scooped more votes.

[Otto-matic]

I hope for the 30th season they do a Heroes Vs Villains, would love to see Russell and Tony battle eachothers paranoia.

[MrCallahan]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

I hope for the 30th season they do a Heroes Vs Villains, would love to see Russell and Tony battle eachothers paranoia.

Can they just have a Villains vs Villains season?? That'd be extremely frustrating and entertaining to watch!

[Matty81]

Ya i liked spencer as a player but it's not his role to become a campaigner, if the jury starts addressing each other with speeches as to who should win that'll get old real fast. Just didn't seem quite fair. Unneccessary too when they already have a chance to ask pointed questions and make editorial comments.

Not that I begrudge tony the win as he played hard and worked harder, definately a deserving winner in some ways, but I think dissing players for riding coattails is not legit, flying under the radar is a decent strategy IMO. When you look at guys like Yul, they proce that lying and cheating is not necessarily a part of the game of survivor. Everyone celebrates the big agressive personalities that win but 90% of them end up out in the first 6-8 shows and the ones who do go through mostly just get lucky and find good people to support them.

Am watching old seasons on hulu right now and the number of strategic geniuses who got kicked off because they were in tribes where every single player was shifty is crazy.

[GreenLantern]

Ya they should do a Villains vs. Villains season but tell the contestants it is Heroes vs. Villains, just confuse the hell out of everyone.

This goes down as in my top 3 favourite seasons, just a gem. I hate it when we see one person just dominate all the way through like when Kim won or Tom the fireman from NY (even though he is on of my favourites, still better to see a challenge).

I respect Woo for bringing Tony with him to the end, he said it best to Kass "I don't feel that you deserve to sit up here and I would rather lose to someone who deserves it, than beat someone who doesn't." That is the kind of comment or play that we are always asking for! Call these useless titts on their bad play and bring the people who deserve it to the end. Now the only problem with that is Spencer deserved it 1000000x more than Woo :P Woo didn't do a good enough job of explaining why he deserved to win the million, and I was shocked that nobody called him on his 'honorable' game when all he had to do was sit back and let Tony do the dirty work for him. Just because you didn't actually slit the persons throat it doesn't mean you weren't involved. I don't think he was quite the angel he made himself out to be. I just think the jury didn't care enough to call him on it, to me it seemed like the majority already had their minds made up. A few were hurt, and they wanted Tony to own it (and he did, admirably), but they knew where their vote was going.

I thought Spencers speech was perfect. This isn't the first time we have seen someone try and rally the jury for a specific contestant. Hell I think even Probst was lobying for Tony on that final jury when at the final tribal council HE brought up Woo's loyalty and really stressed the fact that Tony was loyal to him by keeping him over Spencer. He leaned in really heavily to all of that.

All and all a very entertaining season, you could tell Probst was just so thrilled at the finale, the most energetic and involved I have seen him for a while. I expect to see at least 3 people from this season returning in future years.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The point of the game is to be the lone Survivor and the $1 million, no?

If it wasn't the goal for Woo, then he shouldn't have been on the show. I'm glad he's happy for himself and how he played and how he brought Tony along instead of Kass. If that makes him happy, awesome.

But as a fan of the show I can't stand seeing someone make a stupid choice like Woo did in the name of honesty or loyalty or whatever else he was going on about. It's a game for $1 million..........people lie, backstab, manipulate, whatever. It's a GAME.

I'm glad Tony won, he deserved to. A final two of Kass and Woo would have painful. But if we're looking at it from Woo's perspective he gave up winning the game when he didn't have to. What's the point on being on the show in the first place? Who cares how 'deserving' Tony or anyone else was, his goal was to win, and he failed miserably. And he did it to himself. What a shame.

[GreenLantern]

I think that Woo honestly believed he could beat Tony, and if that is the case on top of all the honorable stuff, then it makes more sense.

I honestly think Woo was more worried about losing to Kass than he was beating Tony.. they always poll the people after the show, but Jeff said it himself, hindsight is 20/20. In the moment in that situation, based on responses, Woo not being a very good sales person, there is a chance Kass could have beat him. And I am going to laugh hysterically now if people tell me otherwise as I spent a few pages arguing with them about this from the other side :P

[Johnny199r]

Woo was an idiot. Yes, you can have Tony pretend to be buddy buddy with you, but you'd be a million dollars richer if you took Kass with you. That was an awful decision.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I think that Woo honestly believed he could beat Tony, and if that is the case on top of all the honorable stuff, then it makes more sense.

Fair enough. But he also said before the vote that he didn't know what to do as Tony would be tougher to beat than Kass. So he even knew himself that Kass was the easier opponent. If you want to win, you take along the person you think you have the better chance to beat.

I just think he screwed up. Tony did a great job of getting in Woo's ear right away about the loyalty stuff and I think Woo just sat around all day thinking about that and it got to him. Another great job by Tony, and another reason he deserved to win. He shouldn't have been in the final two to begin with, but after Woo gift-wrapped him the game by voting out Kass it was a foregone conclusion. He's lucky he even got one vote.

[Parallex]

The 'honorable' stuff from Woo was such phony baloney (He had F3 deals with Spencer, Kass, & Trish but his honor didn't stop him from breaking those promises when push came to shove). He rode Tony's coattails all the way and just couldn't let go when the time came to cut him. He was stupid and that cost him 900K in prize money (less taxes).

Great season overall. Very old school with the all new cast and F2. I wonder who's coming back for Blood v. Water 2 (although I suppose it could be all newbies with their relatives... I hope so, I only want to see returnee's in straight up All-Star seasons). I liked Blood v. Water the last time so I'm happy to see it back.

[Barbecue]

I was actually hoping that Woo would've taken Kass instead. Not because it would help secure Woo a win, but I just wanted to see the gang banging on Kass during question period

It would just be hilarious watching all 9 jurors pile on Kass and tell her what a bitch she's been. Then hearing her feminist drab, and having everyone roll their eyes back and groan.

Then we'd see more of it in the live show when Probst would question on her on why she's such a bitch and audience members would line up to punch her in the face

[killer_carlson]

I still think the right guy won, but I'd have liked it if Woo had received a few more votes.

The more I watch Spencer interviews at Ponderosa and on youtube, the more it becomes clear he received very favorable edits. He is quite conceited.

[WhiteTiger]

Watching the finale, finally...it kinda seems like Kass got an extra helping hand on the challenges. In the tower one she won, she finally got a little bit of water in the chute...and the bobber jumps up 4-5 color segments?

It also looked like she didn't have to untie her cogs. She flipped the lid, reached in and pulled her cogs out, without the camera leaving her.

Her complete misreading of her situation on the island is pretty funny from a meta perspective, too.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Not that I begrudge tony the win as he played hard and worked harder, definately a deserving winner in some ways, but I think dissing players for riding coattails is not legit, flying under the radar is a decent strategy IMO.

No one is saying it was because he was flying under the radar. It was because he never actually stepped up and made a move that would make him deserving of the win. Flying under the radar and then taking Tony out at to give a Kass vs Woo vote is the big move he needed to use. He failed to (a) think the game through and (b) to use the tools he had at his disposal to give himself the win.

When you look at guys like Yul, they proce that lying and cheating is not necessarily a part of the game of survivor. Everyone celebrates the big agressive personalities that win but 90% of them end up out in the first 6-8 shows and the ones who do go through mostly just get lucky and find good people to support them.

No one said anything about cheating. But yes lying is very much a art of Survivor ar at least half-truths and lies by ommission. But let's not forget that Woo did steal an idol clue. His holier than thou honesty thing rings hollow to me in the first place. So really when it came down to it all he did was ride coat tails and never made the big move he needed to make for himself. Which makes him a poor player.

Tony talked a lot to everybody but he never became shifty within his own alliance until he needed to make moves to advance himself into the game. Which is what is supposed to happen. It should have been a unanimous vote. Hell, Probst should have awareded Tony the million as soon as Kass was voted out.

[Bagor]

Unbelievably dumb decision by Woo. He had the win in his hand and threw it away. Simply a case of not being able to detach his external values for the overall objective that he set out to do, win the game. Not to mention I feel robbed not seeing Kass getting hammered at final tribal.

Great season, terrible reunion show. Very little time actually spent on the contestants.

[Flash Walken]

I'm not convinced woo would've won in a landslide against Kass.

She was hated, but it would've been the same decision making process. Vote for the coat tails or someone who's playing hard and offends people.