[News] Shane O'Brien assigned to Heat. Breen recalled.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by nik-

There's a difference between announcing and not knowing. This is a hockey forum ... speculation and overthinking everything is pretty much what it's about.

Haha of course, and I'm not against speculation, but the poster who got mad about it and said it was a "d-bag move" by the Flames was just being silly.

I'm of the mind that Breen knew and just didn't say because nothing had been announced. Of course I was speculating, but wasn't going to be mad that my casual speculation didn't pan out if he had been traded.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well this is what Sureloss reported.



Since Breen didn't seem to know what was happening either, and his recall wasn't announced until this morning, it was worth a little speculating.

he also said Breen could have been playing coy.

[CaramonLS]

I'm a little confused at this. Only 6 games left for the Flames until the Olympic break, of which I am not sure he gets into all of them.

Breen would then be sitting for the break too, unless they are planning to toss him on waivers again so that he can play for the Heat.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by strombad

Well it's not a player's job to announce his call-up.

This seems like a whole lot of people overthinking things, when the situation was pretty cut and dry.

All I was saying is that a deal was a possibility considering the lack of information on what should have been a cut and dry situation. If we got rid of fans speculating, half the posts on this board would disappear.

[getbak]

I bet this is the reason that O'Brien's demotion and Breen's promotion were announced separately:

Originally Posted by NHL CBA

(h) Solely for purposes of this Article 13, days on the Active Roster shall include days that the Player is on a Club's Active Roster at 5:00 p.m. New York time. Days on the Active Roster shall not include the day the Player is removed from the Active Roster (e.g., Loaned to a minor league club or placed on Injured Reserve) if such removal from the Active Roster occurred prior to 5:00 p.m. New York time, unless such Player has practiced or travelled with an NHL Club, or played in an NHL Game, prior to such removal from the Active Roster.

If they waited until after 5:00 EST (3:00 MST) to file Breen's recall papers, they get an extra roster day out of him. He can stay on the roster for 30 days (cumulative) or 10 games played (cumulative) before requiring waivers again. It probably won't make a difference, but there's no point in wasting a day when today was their off day anyway.

[Shawnski]

Why, why, why.... did you all have to bring up Tim Ramholt...

In our height of desiring Western Canadian talent, we for but a split second, took HIM over Shea Weber...

Heck Phaneuf might still be here, attitude tempered by Shea's being his partner.

And make no doubt about it, those two would have done exceptionally well together.

Tim.... Ramholt...

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I'm a little confused at this. Only 6 games left for the Flames until the Olympic break, of which I am not sure he gets into all of them.

Breen would then be sitting for the break too, unless they are planning to toss him on waivers again so that he can play for the Heat.

He won't need to go on waivers again to be sent down for the break.

He cleared waivers on January 2 and was immediately sent down. He can be in the NHL for 30 days or 10 games played before requiring waivers again, and he can't pass either mark before the break.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I just think this was a d-bag move by the Flames, not announcing the call up at the same time as demoting O'Brien. Unless the point was to create buzz about what might be happening, don't see why they didn't announce the call up of Breen at the same time they demoted O'Brien. Get our hopes up that Burke might be doing something to improve the on-ice product only to be let down by a meh call up.

Wow.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Why, why, why.... did you all have to bring up Tim Ramholt...

In our height of desiring Western Canadian talent, we for but a split second, took HIM over Shea Weber...

Heck Phaneuf might still be here, attitude tempered by Shea's being his partner.

And make no doubt about it, those two would have done exceptionally well together.

Tim.... Ramholt...

Weber was the 14th defenseman taken that draft year, and 9 other teams passed over him after Calgary drafted Ramholt, including Tampa who drafted defenseman Matt Smaby and San Jose who took defenseman Matt Carle.

Weber just wasn't as good a prospect in anyone's book as his future development says he should have been.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Why, why, why.... did you all have to bring up Tim Ramholt...

In our height of desiring Western Canadian talent, we for but a split second, took HIM over Shea Weber...

Heck Phaneuf might still be here, attitude tempered by Shea's being his partner.

And make no doubt about it, those two would have done exceptionally well together.

Tim.... Ramholt...

May as well complain about how we chose Blair Stayzer instead of Henrik Zetterberg while you're at it.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

May as well complain about how we chose Blair Stayzer instead of Henrik Zetterberg while you're at it.

Gee thanks for bringing that up. Took me years to get over that one...

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I just think this was a d-bag move by the Flames, not announcing the call up at the same time as demoting O'Brien. Unless the point was to create buzz about what might be happening, don't see why they didn't announce the call up of Breen at the same time they demoted O'Brien. Get our hopes up that Burke might be doing something to improve the on-ice product only to be let down by a meh call up.

Or how about this, Burke may have been trying to work something but it fell through. Or hey, maybe he wants to give Breen a fair shake and bring him up for a bit. I really fail to see how it was a dbag move. Maybe email the Flames and let them know that you want immediate updates on roster moves from here on out. You know, cause us fans totally deserve to be in the know on everything. Unreal...

[sureLoss]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/01/26...rien-to-minors

“Once Kris Russell got healthy and once we got Chris Breen playing big minutes in Abby, our plan was to go with the younger kids,” president of hockey operations and acting GM Brian Burke said Sunday.

“Players (O’Brien’s) age are not likely going to be here when we have this thing where we want it. We have to find out about Chris Breen. Can he play? Can he not play? He hasn’t been given a fair opportunity, mainly because of injury. We’re going to find out now.”

“There’s no thought of ‘Let’s showcase our high picks’ or ‘Let’s give this kid a look’. There’s got to be a sequence,” Burke said. “Good teams make young players earn their chance, and that’s what we’re going to do here. Everyone that comes up has to earn their chance.”

Burke debunking the Flames any problems with O'Brien

“Now the question becomes, can we structure a deal in a way where we keep some of the salary for next year and get him somewhere else to play?” Burke said. “There’s no issue for us with him. I had Shane in Anaheim — we’re not dealing with any problems.”

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

May as well complain about how we chose Blair Stayzer instead of Henrik Zetterberg while you're at it.

You really didn't go there, did you?

7th round versus 2nd in a deep, quality defenseman draft?

Perhaps I DID ding you in the head with one of my line drives down third base!

[wwkayaker]

I like Burke's explanation. At least you can trust he is thinking things through. I think his plan is likely a bit better than Feaster.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

You really didn't go there, did you?

7th round versus 2nd in a deep, quality defenseman draft?

Perhaps I DID ding you in the head with one of my line drives down third base!

Nah. Those hits were usually well over my head.

But lets face it, drafting in hindsight is remarkably easy. Every single team in the NHL - including Nashville - would change their view of where Weber should have gone based on what he's done.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Weber was the 14th defenseman taken that draft year, and 9 other teams passed over him after Calgary drafted Ramholt, including Tampa who drafted defenseman Matt Smaby and San Jose who took defenseman Matt Carle.

Weber just wasn't as good a prospect in anyone's book as his future development says he should have been.

Kelowna is basically our back yard when it comes to scouting worldwide talent. Regardless of what other teams did in those few picks between, we should NOT have gambled on a player a third the globe away when the focus at that time was Western Canadians. That is the anomoly.

In the blink of an eye, and right or wrong, that shift from a WC focus cost us dearly.

[MissTeeks]

“@ShaneOBrien55: A lot of good guys in that dressing room in Calgary.. All the best boys.”

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/01/26...rien-to-minors

Burke debunking the Flames any problems with O'Brien

Wow, pretty candid.

What can SOB fetch you? A fourth? Or is that too optimistic?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Or how about this, Burke may have been trying to work something but it fell through. Or hey, maybe he wants to give Breen a fair shake and bring him up for a bit. I really fail to see how it was a dbag move. Maybe email the Flames and let them know that you want immediate updates on roster moves from here on out. You know, cause us fans totally deserve to be in the know on everything. Unreal...

Yeah, I overreacted and I'll own it. I look at it like this. Moves should be made to improve the team and I fail to see how this move improves the team. Breen looked like a slow pylon the times he's played yet we still have to see what he can do. It's only because he's the one player from the Sutter era that was brought in unsigned and showed some promise but to date hasn't been able to put it together at the NHL level. I get that they want to see what he can do but who sits in the top six to give him ice time? I don't think he is an improvement on O'Brien and SOB is not the major reason why we suck. People bitch and moan about a dufus for dufus trade but this is a dufus for dufus call up/demotion.

I guess all it would have taken is a relesse stating SOB is assigned to Abby and a call up is pending and my overreaction would have been less. Yeah, I spend too much time on this site and twitter awaiting breaking roster news but given the state of the team, that's all we have is the promise of a better tomorrow and tomorrow can't come soon enough.