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Old 10-15-2013, 09:39 PM   #281
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:22 PM   #282
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Sometimes I wish someone would just respond with a "Are you ####ing ######ed?" to some of these people. There's really no other response.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:38 PM   #283
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So... as an average Joe Canadian, how does this affect me and the other citizens of Canada. When would it start to affect the Canadian economy and how? Should I be exchanging any US currency I have back to CDN, hold off on my automatic RRSP contributions to any US funds?
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:06 AM   #284
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Hah, the people who organized the rally in the first place feel their rally was hijacked.

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“The political agenda put forth by a local organizer in Washington D.C. yesterday was not in alignment with our message. We feel disheartened that some would seek to hijack the narrative for political gain,” the statement read. “The core principle was and remains about all Americans honoring veterans in a peaceful and apolitical manner. Mr. Cruz, Ms. Palin and some attendees, including political parties may have not been aware of the goals of the marches which took place in over 60+ rallies across the nation.”
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:38 AM   #285
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So... as an average Joe Canadian, how does this affect me and the other citizens of Canada. When would it start to affect the Canadian economy and how? Should I be exchanging any US currency I have back to CDN, hold off on my automatic RRSP contributions to any US funds?
As long as you have time to wait it out, I would not do this.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:07 AM   #286
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Let us not default on our obligations. Let us not stop the checks to our needy who are counting on us. Let us not use our elderly as political pawns in trade for a seven second sound byte back home. They deserve better. We have a responsibility to pay our bills.
Quote from congress regarding raising the debt ceiling.. the quote? From a republican in a debt ceiling raising bill that passed with the full support of republicans during Bush's time. Congress passed five debt ceiling raising during Bush's eight years.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-20...5-2.pdf#page=1
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End in sight?

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The majority House GOP has flamed out, unable to settle on any proposal to lift the debt ceiling and avert a catastrophic default. And now, according to Senate sources, Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has agreed to vote on a deal negotiated by Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

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The Senate deal lifts the debt ceiling through Feb. 7, re-opens the shuttered government through Jan. 15 and sets up bicameral budget conference tasked with sending policy recommendations by Dec. 13. It will include a provision to enforce a part of Obamacare where subsidy recipients have to verify their income eligibility first. It won't include a previously considered plan to delay a reinsurance tax under the health care law.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:35 AM   #288
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No, just a temporary reprieve. You can be sure the Teabaggers will be back in force in Jan/Feb. The lesson they'll take from this total defeat won't be, "Never again should we hold the US economy hostage unless we get our way." Rather, their takeaway message will be, "How can we adjust our strategy so we get more concessions from the Democrats in three months?"
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Stupid. People should be calling and yelling only at the Tea Party morons who are the cause of this, not a random rational, sane member of Congress.
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I know it's popular to bash everyone in Washington as being equally worthless, but there really are decent people in both parties who work for the best interests of their country and their constituents. Congress is so dysfunctional and divided at the moment because a small number of Tea Party extremists have seized de facto control of the Republican Party.
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I know it's popular to bash everyone in Washington as being equally worthless, but there really are decent people in both parties who work for the best interests of their country and their constituents. Congress is so dysfunctional and divided at the moment because a small number of Tea Party extremists have seized de facto control of the Republican Party.
You're right, for every Pelosi there is a Boehner.

it sucks that we have to represented by a bag of dicks.

it's like listening to the public radio on GTA and the "I'm rich and know more than you, so vote for me" stuff.
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Republicans won. We'll see another showdown in the new year.
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Republicans won. We'll see another showdown in the new year.
Some people are saying that it could come up again as soon as mid-November.
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Some people are saying that it could come up again as soon as mid-November.
That's when the posturing will start, for sure.

"Do this now or we'll hold it against you in January when it comes time to vote on the debt ceiling and people are still feeling the post-holiday pinch!"
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In the short term (~2 months), the deal is pretty much a total victory for the Democrats. The Republicans didn't win any concessions of substance, and public opinion turned sharply against them for manufacturing this completely unnecessary crisis. Who knows how it will play out in the long-term, though. I wouldn't be surprised if we're right back in the same situation in December/January with the Tea Party members of Congress pointing a gun at the head of the US economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless they get their way.
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I know it's popular to bash everyone in Washington as being equally worthless, but there really are decent people in both parties who work for the best interests of their country and their constituents.
Very few of them.

The majority of politicians in both parties act in the best interest of their backers and nobody else. There is a severe leadership vacuum in Washington right now, and no politicians are interested in tackling the major issues that the US imminently faces.

Americans are getting the government they deserve, of course.
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Very few of them.

The majority of politicians in both parties act in the best interest of their backers and nobody else. There is a severe leadership vacuum in Washington right now, and no politicians are interested in tackling the major issues that the US imminently faces.

Americans are getting the government they deserve, of course.
False:

Elizabeth Warren is the first example that comes to mind.

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Very few of them.

The majority of politicians in both parties act in the best interest of their backers and nobody else. There is a severe leadership vacuum in Washington right now, and no politicians are interested in tackling the major issues that the US imminently faces.

Americans are getting the government they deserve, of course.
It's been suggested that Ted Cruz's self interest in taking over the GOP and running in 2016 has caused this whole mess. His 40 pals will be rewarded nicely if he is successful. I hope the American public can see this, but I'm not confidant they vote with their brains, as opposed to whichever loud object that is not a Democrat, or a Kenyan.
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Cruz is no better than Palin and is completely unelectable since he can't attract moderates.

The good news is that he will not delay expediting the Senate vote. He (or any other senator) could have single-handedly delayed the vote a couple days, pushing a resolution back and putting the country at risk of default.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...390.html?hp=t1
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Republicans won. We'll see another showdown in the new year.
I don't know, that politico story seems to say there's measures in this that would make that less of an issue:

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The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject a debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.
The deal would also deliver back pay to furloughed federal workers, require income verification for people seeking health-insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act and also allow the Treasury Department to use extraordinary measures to pay the nation’s bills if Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling by Feb. 7.
Am I reading it right?
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