[Rumour] Tyler Seguin on the trade block

[StrykerSteve]

Injuries HAVE to be playing a role in Boston's decision to shop this kid. It just doesn't add up, for me.

I get that they have cap concerns, but there are better ways to deal with it than shipping out your best young player.

Not to mention, if it's true that what they are asking for is #6 + Gaudreau, I firmly believe they could get a better deal from any number of teams.

It just doesn't add up.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I have all sorts of red flags going off in my head about this. My gut is telling me that Calgary is on the verge of being screwed here.

If its for the trade proposal that has been mentioned, i don't think either team would walk away screwed.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If its for the trade proposal that has been mentioned, i don't think either team would walk away screwed.

They would if he (Seguin) is damaged goods.

[lifetimefan]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Yeah that's generally what happens in Flameland. Things start off sounding so good, and promising (like we're getting a filet mignon), but in the end we'll get something significantly less than we expected (bologna and cheese sandwich).

Feaster keeps telling us macaroni is meat.

[djsFlames]

Hahaha, yeah, nevermind about that.

Bruins fans are acting as suicidal and explosive about Seguin moving as CP on a Jay Feaster media conference day.

This makes it better though. Perhaps, for the first time since our faded memories of the mid 90s we could hit a home run with a trade. (if the rumors are at all accurate). But then again, who knows.. Johnny has not only produced, but excelled at every level he's played. Killed it at WJC. And Monahan could fill in the gaps perfectly for the Bruins to help them remain perennial contenders...

I'm excited but scared at this possibility.

[nik-]

dammit, now I want a bologna sandwich

[StrykerSteve]

How am I supposed to get any sleep tonight? Sigh.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

They would if he (Seguin) is damaged goods.

I thought teams had to reveal injuries in a trade? If so i would think he would have to pass a medical test. Could be wrong.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by nik-

dammit, now I want a bologna sandwich

Now that's something you don't hear often, or ever really.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If its for the trade proposal that has been mentioned, i don't think either team would walk away screwed.

I completely agree. Just for arguments sake, the Bruins add Monahan at 6 that could potentially step in to replace what they asked of Seguin last season on an ELC, which is huge for them, and they get a Boston College kid who is apparently loved by the fans in the area.

Truth is, I don't think Seguin gets them a top 4 pick in this draft given the contract he's about to earn. Unless Car coughs up a better prospect than Gaudreau with 5, I think this may be the most ideal return for the Bruins.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I thought teams had to reveal injuries in a trade? If so i would think he would have to pass a medical test. Could be wrong.

I'm sure you are 100% correct and I'm being completely unreasonable, but something just feels... off.

[Gator Mike]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Injuries HAVE to be playing a role in Boston's decision to shop this kid. It just doesn't add up, for me.

I get that they have cap concerns, but there are better ways to deal with it than shipping out your best young player.

Not to mention, if it's true that what they are asking for is #6 + Gaudreau, I firmly believe they could get a better deal from any number of teams.

It just doesn't add up.

No, it's a cap move. After they resign Rask, they'd only be $1.3 under the cap with the need to find a RW to "replace" Nathan Horton.

I think they deal Seguin and Peverley ($9.0 million combined) for picks/prospects and try to find a $5 million player, a $3 million player, and a 2.3 million player in free agency, and put whatever kind of return they get in the bank so they can cash it in later.

If the Flames offered #6, Gaudreau, and Glencross for Seguin and Peverley, I think the Bruins would take it. I'll leave it to you guys to debate the merits of that sort of proposal for the Flames.

[Otto29]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

How am I supposed to get any sleep tonight? Sigh.

Yes...its like Christmas eve and not knowing if you got the brand new bike or the ugly sweater.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Gator Mike

No, it's a cap move. After they resign Rask, they'd only be $1.3 under the cap with the need to find a RW to "replace" Nathan Horton.

I think they deal Seguin and Peverley ($9.0 million combined) for picks/prospects and try to find a $5 million player, a $3 million player, and a 2.3 million player in free agency, and put whatever kind of return they get in the bank so they can cash it in later.

If the Flames offered #6, Gaudreau, and Glencross for Seguin and Peverley, I think the Bruins would take it. I'll leave it to you guys to debate the merits of that sort of proposal for the Flames.

Please allow me to play devil's advocate here for a moment...

Boston has 1.3M to sign a RW (no idea if that's accurate, I haven't checked the figures yet).

Savard's contract won't count against the cap, because he'll be on LTIR for the rest of his deal. That's another 4M to play with.

Now let's say you still want to free up more space, do you achieve this by shedding yourself of your top young star forward, or do you look at Chris Kelly's contract, and think, hmmm..... we could probably do without that 3M hit.

Now you've got 8.3M to play with, to sign two players, and you still have Seguin.

Like I said, it just doesn't add up.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'm sure you are 100% correct and I'm being completely unreasonable, but something just feels... off.

Yeah the Flames potentially winning a trade is an incredibly foreign concept to us at this point. Something just doesn't feel right at all...

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Please allow me to play devil's advocate here for a moment...

Boston has 1.3M to sign a RW (no idea if that's accurate, I haven't checked the figures yet).

Savard's contract won't count against the cap, because he'll be on LTIR for the rest of his deal. That's another 4M to play with.

Now let's say you still want to free up more space, do you achieve this by shedding yourself of your top young star forward, or do you look at Chris Kelly's contract, and think, hmmm..... we could probably do without that 3M hit.

Now you've got 8.3M to play with, to sign two players, and you still have Seguin.

Like I said, it just doesn't add up.

Your forgetting about Bergeron next year and Krecji the year after. They're looking for long term flexibility. Rask is going to get 7 million.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Please allow me to play devil's advocate here for a moment...

Boston has 1.3M to sign a RW (no idea if that's accurate, I haven't checked the figures yet).

Savard's contract won't count against the cap, because he'll be on LTIR for the rest of his deal. That's another 4M to play with.

Now let's say you still want to free up more space, do you achieve this by shedding yourself of your top young star forward, or do you look at Chris Kelly's contract, and think, hmmm..... we could probably do without that 3M hit.

Now you've got 8.3M to play with, to sign two players, and you still have Seguin.

Like I said, it just doesn't add up.

They can't spend that $4 million of Savard LTIR money until the season starts.

Also i read that Rask is getting $6 million. They are also going to announce the extension for Bergeron and thats going to be north of $6 million. Now that won't kick in until the following year, but are teams going to be lining up to take Peverly and Kelly's contract off their hands?

[Gator Mike]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Savard's contract won't count against the cap, because he'll be on LTIR for the rest of his deal. That's another 4M to play with.

The $1.3 million in cap space includes putting Savard on LTIR.

So even if you buy out Kelly and Peverley, that would leave them with $7.55 million to replace Horton and 2/3rds of their 3rd line.

[CliffFletcher]

Bergeron + Krejci + 6th + Gaudreau + 5 mil cap space > Bergeron + Seguin + trade return for Krejci

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Your forgetting about Bergeron next year and Krecji the year after. They're looking for long term flexibility. Rask is going to get 7 million.

Using my example of Chris Kelly vs Tyler Seguin, they only come out 2.5M ahead.

Is 2.5M not worth Seguin vs Kelly?

edit - nvm, apparently my numbers are off.

Off to check capgeek!