[Rumour] Kipper is Retiring

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by strombad

But it's apparently all the same and we're the confused ones when he's trying to make his point. Yikes.

The only point I'm trying to make is that Kiprusoff hasn't officially retired. Has he? No

Edited my swear.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

This thread has devolved into this:



How's about we all stop until there is some REAL news to post?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Considering I learnt to write English second, when I was 14 or so I do not too bad. Love people on here making fun of others English though, classy.

Also like how some guy changes the Convo from him saying Kiprusoff is retired to my use of the word "rumour". Still can't see anything saying Kiprusoff is officially retire yet though.

Well sorry bro, if you don't have a great grasp of English, don't argue with someone when he says "those are different words". That's just logic.

And to be fair, my very first comments were directed at your use of the word "rumour". That's what I've been talking about the whole time, it's you who has changed your story. Though, I see why, since you didn't fully understand what you were actually saying in the first place. All good man! Sorry! Didnt realise you weren't great at English! I could've guessed, but I didn't want to be rude. I just thought you were being purposely obtuse.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

This thread has devolved into this:



How's about we all stop until there is some REAL news to post?

Yeah but UNTIL then... time for fun?
Plus I don't like your reference, I'd probably look silly in a kilt.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Considering I learnt to write English second, when I was 14 or so I do not too bad. Love people on here making fun of others English though, classy.

If you want to communicate in English, the smart thing to do would be to take note when people don't get your meaning because of your choice of words, and try to choose the words that would put across what you mean. If you don't want to communicate in English, of course, that's your privilege, but then one wonders why you would bother learning the language.

Also like how some guy changes the Convo from him saying Kiprusoff is retired to my use of the word "rumour". Still can't see anything saying Kiprusoff is officially retire yet though.

Kiprusoff has told the (Finnish) press he is retiring. That doesn't need to be official. Filing the papers is only a formality. Evidently he is in no hurry to do it, probably because he's on vacation and has nothing to lose by waiting till September.

As I pointed out earlier, being retired from hockey is not an official status. Filing retirement papers is, but it is not the same thing. Kovalchuk filed retirement papers, but is going to keep playing in the KHL. Kiprusoff did not file retirement papers, but he has announced that he isn't going to play anymore. Which of the two is retired? According to your thinking, it's Kovalchuk — but he only filed those papers to get out of his NHL contract. Common sense says it's Kiprusoff.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by strombad

Well sorry bro, if you don't have a great grasp of English, don't argue with someone when he says "those are different words". That's just logic.

And to be fair, my very first comments were directed at your use of the word "rumour". That's what I've been talking about the whole time, it's you who has changed your story. Though, I see why, since you didn't fully understand what you were actually saying in the first place. All good man! Sorry! Didnt realise you weren't great at English! I could've guessed, but I didn't want to be rude. I just thought you were being purposely obtuse.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If you want to communicate in English, the smart thing to do would be to take note when people don't get your meaning because of your choice of words, and try to choose the words that would put across what you mean. If you don't want to communicate in English, of course, that's your privilege, but then one wonders why you would bother learning the language.



Kiprusoff has told the (Finnish) press he is retiring. That doesn't need to be official. Filing the papers is only a formality. Evidently he is in no hurry to do it, probably because he's on vacation and has nothing to lose by waiting till September.

As I pointed out earlier, being retired from hockey is not an official status. Filing retirement papers is, but it is not the same thing. Kovalchuk filed retirement papers, but is going to keep playing in the KHL. Kiprusoff did not file retirement papers, but he has announced that he isn't going to play anymore. Which of the two is retired? According to your thinking, it's Kovalchuk — but he only filed those papers to get out of his NHL contract. Common sense says it's Kiprusoff.

I was arguing about retired vs retiring. I probably said "rumour" a whopping 3 times this whole thread. My bad on the misuse if the word.... Moving on.

Oh, and I did use more than one word to describe what i meant (thesaurus link) to which strombo corrected me earlier.

[ken0042]

OK, that's enough guys.

[MissTeeks]

An update:

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/articles...irement-papers

No, he has not filed his retirement papers as of this date. As I've said consistently since the end of the season, all indications he has given us suggest he will not be returning for the 2013-14 season.

Feaster said the door remained open, and the Flames "wanted to give him time over the summer to consider his future."

Feaster added "we will be discussing his situation with him once again as camp draws closer and we will have a definitive answer prior to the scheduled start of our 2013 Training Camp."

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It doesn't make it a rumour either. It makes it a sourced statement, and from the strongest possible source — Kiprusoff himself.

It may perhaps have escaped your notice that 'retiring' is not the same thing as 'filing formal retirement papers with the NHL'. A player can retire from playing hockey without ever filing papers. Retiring is a matter of not playing anymore. Filing papers is a matter of contract and pension status.

Would the Flames have to suspend him in that situation if he doesn't report? How else would the cap hit fall off? Moot point as no cap constraints but still curious.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I wonder how the people who hope/think we're going to tank this year will feel if Kipper surprises everyone and comes back? He would provide solid goaltending and could potentially steal some wins for us, potentially keeping us out of a lottery pick. Would that piss people off?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I wonder how the people who hope/think we're going to tank this year will feel if Kipper surprises everyone and comes back? He would provide solid goaltending and could potentially steal some wins for us, potentially keeping us out of a lottery pick. Would that piss people off?

It wouldn't piss me off but it certainly would be confusing based on his statements and actions. After refusing trades last year because he didn't want to screw a team by not coming back this year it would be odd to come back to play for a team with zero chance of winning after saying all summer that you were done.

But Kiprusoff has done enough for the organization and been a classy Flame during that time that I certainly wouldn't be pissed at him if he decided to change his mind, just confused.

[Resolute 14]

Kipper didn't refuse the trade because he didn't think he was coming back this year, he refused it because he had a newborn in Calgary and knew his head wouldn't be in the game if he was on the other side of the continent from his family.

Also, if he came back and managed to keep this team from a lottery pick, that would mean he got us into the playoffs. It would also likely mean a Vezina Trophy, and given where we are starting from, probably the Hart as well. You'd really have to question anyone who would be pissed off about that!

[moon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Kipper didn't refuse the trade because he didn't think he was coming back this year, he refused it because he had a newborn in Calgary and knew his head wouldn't be in the game if he was on the other side of the continent from his family.

I thought it was a combination of both.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I wonder how the people who hope/think we're going to tank this year will feel if Kipper surprises everyone and comes back? He would provide solid goaltending and could potentially steal some wins for us, potentially keeping us out of a lottery pick. Would that piss people off?

I would be 100% okay with it. Having Kipper/Ramo in net, with each of them getting equal play time would be good for developing Ramo and give the rest of the Flames a chance to win games they otherwise would not be winning.

However, I still think this team would be in the basement of the standings. Even with Kipper, we are still going into a tough division and without really doing anything to replace the two top line players we traded away last year.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Kiprusoff has told the (Finnish) press he is retiring. That doesn't need to be official. Filing the papers is only a formality. Evidently he is in no hurry to do it, probably because he's on vacation and has nothing to lose by waiting till September.

As I pointed out earlier, being retired from hockey is not an official status. Filing retirement papers is, but it is not the same thing. Kovalchuk filed retirement papers, but is going to keep playing in the KHL. Kiprusoff did not file retirement papers, but he has announced that he isn't going to play anymore. Which of the two is retired? According to your thinking, it's Kovalchuk — but he only filed those papers to get out of his NHL contract. Common sense says it's Kiprusoff.

Not interested in getting into your argument of retiring vs retired. But for Kipper, filing the papers may not only be a formality but it is a necessity.

The fact is Kipper is still under contract to the Calgary Flames. He can take as long as he wants to decide whether he wants to continue his career, but if Kipper doesn't file retirement papers with the league, the Flames will either have to grant Kipper leave, keep his cap hit, and continue paying Kipper or suspend Kipper for not reporting the way the Ducks suspended Neidermayer when Neidermayer was trying to decide whether to continue his career.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I wonder how the people who hope/think we're going to tank this year will feel if Kipper surprises everyone and comes back? He would provide solid goaltending and could potentially steal some wins for us, potentially keeping us out of a lottery pick. Would that piss people off?

Being that its Kipper i would not be opposed to it, but i would want a couple of stipulations in place.

If by some miracle Ramo and Berra show that they are quality starting goalies then Kipper has to be open to trade. I guess he could just retire half way through the season, but that would be a horrible way to go out.

Also Kipper does not strike me as a guy that would 100% keep up with his off season workout regiment if he was contemplating retirement. If he is out of shape, not hard to imagine that it would take Kipper half a season to get back up to snuff.

[Fire]

The only thing for sure imo is that Kipper will not play another game for the Flames, retired or not. The Flames have moved on.

[Otto29]

Originally Posted by Fire

The only thing for sure imo is that Kipper will not play another game for the Flames, retired or not. The Flames have moved on.

That's not what Feaster has said. The Flames plan was always to wait until training camp to get Kiprusoff's decision and that hasn't changed. Technically, he is still a Calgary Flame as no papers have been filed and he is still on the payroll.

[Flashpoint]

Sooo... anyone thinking he might like the opportunity to play somewhere for a shot at the Finnish Olympic squad?

Just a thought.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Sooo... anyone thinking he might like the opportunity to play somewhere for a shot at the Finnish Olympic squad?

Just a thought.

One word....Pekkarinne