That's a very good point. And I realize that from a business perspective, used games are a major major problem and, quite frankly, a completely untapped source of revenue for Microsoft and developers.
From a consumer point of view, I hate that they're going to start making money off used games. They will essentially be killing locally owned rental and used game stores. But such is business. Most business sucks.
Oh well, if PS4 does the same "used game fee" I'll have no choice but to suck it up.
I hope it does, because that will start the transition to move completely away from disc based media for consoles and instead buy games online like Steam on PC. Do you know why no PC gamer complains about not being able to buy used games? Because with Steam sales there's no point. If you wait as long as you would to buy a used game on a console for a decent price, you can find a game on Steam for even less. So if Sony and Microsoft both close off the used game model and both push buying instead from their online stores, then you might finally start to see the same kind of sales that PC users have enjoyed for years
The Following User Says Thank You to Hemi-Cuda For This Useful Post:
So if Sony and Microsoft both close off the used game model and both push buying instead from their online stores, then you might finally start to see the same kind of sales that PC users have enjoyed for years
Perhaps that might come to pass - though I'd imagine Sony and Microsoft are hoping to have their cake (no used sales) and eat it too (keep full retail $60/70/whatever prices locked in).
I hope it does, because that will start the transition to move completely away from disc based media for consoles and instead buy games online like Steam on PC. Do you know why no PC gamer complains about not being able to buy used games? Because with Steam sales there's no point. If you wait as long as you would to buy a used game on a console for a decent price, you can find a game on Steam for even less. So if Sony and Microsoft both close off the used game model and both push buying instead from their online stores, then you might finally start to see the same kind of sales that PC users have enjoyed for years
While in theory this is good, no way Microsoft would ever do this. They already "sort of" do this with Games on Demand and the prices are still ridiculous. There was a sale *once* and while it was a very good deal (like L4D2 for <$10 which for the 360 is a damn good sale), they only do it once a year and the games they did it with were all fairly old.
Last edited by 3 Justin 3; 05-27-2013 at 03:27 PM.
While in theory this is good, no way Microsoft would ever do this. They already "sort of" do this with Games on Demand and the prices are still ridiculous. There was a sale *once* and while it was a very good deal (like L4D2 for <$10 which for the 360 is a damn good sale), they only do it once a year and the games they did it with were all fairly old.
I know Valve has scrapped the "Steam Box" or whatever Big Picture based device they were working on, but I've always felt that a company like nVidia really needed to partner with Valve on the device and make a solid $500 price point box that could download and play Steam games at a reasonable level with a controller.
Sadly, most consoles make their profit from disc sales rather than hardware, so this is very unlikely.
What happens if you cover the Kinect camera with a sticky note?
I guess I just don't understand all the furor about the Xbox one. It's like some people are personally offended that it didn't cater to their every wish and desire - what product on earth delivers that??
It looks like an amazing gaming device - I'll buy it for sure. I don't care about online audit checks - trust me, if my internet is down I'm already freaking out, online validation of my xbox isn't going to even enter my mind.
As for the Kinect - if Microsoft wants to watch me scratch my bollocks while I play COD - they are welcome to it. If I want privacy... I'll turn it off???
Last edited by Coys1882; 05-27-2013 at 05:26 PM.
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Coys1882 For This Useful Post:
i think having an always on camera/mic on a device that is connected to the internet is a very concerning design flaw for just about any product, and think microsoft have lost their mind to think they can enforce this. Feel free to put a sticky note to cover the camera, i'd rather spend my $500 bucks else where.
? why not just avoid the machine, and buy a ps so i don't have to worry about this?
As a person who has little interest in kinect games anyways, i don't have interest in being forced to keep it on while the console is on.
why are people getting upset at people getting upset that microsoft has created a bit of a stupid feature in their product. It's been happening for decades now.
in the end, i bet all the naysayers/complainers (myself included) will hopefully be singing a different tune after e3. it's ridiculous that gaming consoles are being judged on just about everything other than their core function, gaming.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to bubbsy For This Useful Post:
Perhaps that might come to pass - though I'd imagine Sony and Microsoft are hoping to have their cake (no used sales) and eat it too (keep full retail $60/70/whatever prices locked in).
There's actually been some very interesting sales for Playstation Plus subscribers. I know many don't like it because it's $50/year, BUT for the cost of 1 game/year you get access to a library of about 15 games for free (and some good ones at that), plus some of the sales are really good.
Off the top of my head they've offered Tomb Raider for $30, the old PS2 Grand Theft Auto games for about $5, Journey (IGN game of the year) for $7... that sort of thing. Each month the sales switch over, and while some are more robust than others, over the course of a year there is a significant opportunity to grab some great games for very little.
For those wondering about what's free on Playstation Plus:
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Russic For This Useful Post:
Playstation Eye, Xbox Live Vision, Kinect for Xbox 360... why did we not have this alarmist sort of reaction to having motion capture devices on our consoles before? Has there ever been a reported instance of a console being compromised by a remote attacker so as to gain access to the camera feed when the console was powered on?
I'm genuinely trying to understand what the big concern is here. We have cameras in our laptops, web cams on our desktop PCs, cameras on our cell-phones (front and back). A cell phone is always on and always connected (since most people don't actually power down their devices), doesn't the same risk apply to those devices? I'm sure it can't take too much work by a developer to create an application that could turn on a cell phone camera and begin photo/video capture when the screen is in standby mode.
Playstation Eye, Xbox Live Vision, Kinect for Xbox 360... why did we not have this alarmist sort of reaction to having motion capture devices on our consoles before? Has there ever been a reported instance of a console being compromised by a remote attacker so as to gain access to the camera feed when the console was powered on?
I'm genuinely trying to understand what the big concern is here. We have cameras in our laptops, web cams on our desktop PCs, cameras on our cell-phones (front and back). A cell phone is always on and always connected (since most people don't actually power down their devices), doesn't the same risk apply to those devices? I'm sure it can't take too much work by a developer to create an application that could turn on a cell phone camera and begin photo/video capture when the screen is in standby mode.
My guess is that the big difference is that it's always on. I always have a camera pointed at my face when I'm at my laptop, but I can be reasonably sure that it isn't on until the little green light tells me it is. The new Kinect is literally on 100% of the time watching and listening to what you're doing. I suppose a device could be hacked to watch you all the time, but with Xbox One it's actually a feature.
I could understand why some people really aren't going to like that. If the data is being collected in any way things get a little dicey. Even if Microsoft doesn't have the ability to actually attain that data, the optics of it are quite a bit more scary than I think the majority of people are willing to accept.
Playstation Eye, Xbox Live Vision, Kinect for Xbox 360... why did we not have this alarmist sort of reaction to having motion capture devices on our consoles before? Has there ever been a reported instance of a console being compromised by a remote attacker so as to gain access to the camera feed when the console was powered on?
I'm genuinely trying to understand what the big concern is here. We have cameras in our laptops, web cams on our desktop PCs, cameras on our cell-phones (front and back). A cell phone is always on and always connected (since most people don't actually power down their devices), doesn't the same risk apply to those devices? I'm sure it can't take too much work by a developer to create an application that could turn on a cell phone camera and begin photo/video capture when the screen is in standby mode.
Big difference is that the camera on your laptop or cell phone isn't always on and connected to Microsoft's network. And the issue isn't so much worrying about hacking as it is an invasion of privacy. How long do you figure before we hear about the first police warrant to get Microsoft to hand over the footage from someone's Xbox One? With how incarceration happy the US government is I bet they're just salivating at the thought of potentially millions of people voluntarily sticking a surveillance system in their living rooms
Big difference is that the camera on your laptop or cell phone isn't always on and connected to Microsoft's network. And the issue isn't so much worrying about hacking as it is an invasion of privacy. How long do you figure before we hear about the first police warrant to get Microsoft to hand over the footage from someone's Xbox One? With how incarceration happy the US government is I bet they're just salivating at the thought of potentially millions of people voluntarily sticking a surveillance system in their living rooms
My question is, why does anyone assume that they would be bothering to record footage?
Even if MS decides to use a compressed low-res format (useless in police investigations) that only turns on when the XB1 detects motion, we are talking thousands upon thousands of terabytes of memory dedicated for what reason?
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
Exp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by PsYcNeT
My question is, why does anyone assume that they would be bothering to record footage?
Even if MS decides to use a compressed low-res format (useless in police investigations) that only turns on when the XB1 detects motion, we are talking thousands upon thousands of terabytes of memory dedicated for what reason?
The conspiracy theorist might say that MS is putting a 1 TB drive into the Xbox; with only a 500 GB partition available to the end user. Now they have the storage accounted for.
While I do share some of the concerns about the game licensing (having recently used my Commodore 64; 30 years later)- I do find it funny that it seems like nobody can win. Apple releases a new phone with lots of technical updates but few changes to the interface, and people exclaim that "they have changed nothing!" Now MS releases a new gaming system with all sorts of drastic changes that are apparent to everybody, and we are all saying "Why are they messing with things!"
How many of us would have been happy with a new Xbox that just has more RAM, better video card and CPU?
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ken0042 For This Useful Post:
My question is, why does anyone assume that they would be bothering to record footage?
Even if MS decides to use a compressed low-res format (useless in police investigations) that only turns on when the XB1 detects motion, we are talking thousands upon thousands of terabytes of memory dedicated for what reason?
Ad revenue and demographic information?
I'd imagine they would be very interested to see the immediate feedback on ads. The new kinect can see facial expressions (smiles and such), heart rates, etc. (Heck, it can even see in the complete dark with its IR sensor).
It could literally tell the NFL how many eyes were on a specific Superbowl ad, what the facial responses were, if heart rates increased. Or any ads for any channel for that matter. Number of people watching a specific show or recording and the demographic of that household that actual view such shows. Use that feedback to target shows and ads more effectively - or demand higher ad revenue with proof of reaching target audiences.
I'd imagine they would be very interested to see the immediate feedback on ads. The new kinect can see facial expressions (smiles and such), heart rates, etc. (Heck, it can even see in the complete dark with its IR sensor).
It could literally tell the NFL how many eyes were on a specific Superbowl ad, what the facial responses were, if heart rates increased. Or any ads for any channel for that matter. Number of people watching a specific show or recording and the demographic of that household that actual view such shows. Use that feedback to target shows and ads more effectively - or demand higher ad revenue with proof of reaching target audiences.
It's a nice powerful tool for such research.
And people should be concerned about MS knowing their feelings about something because...
oh dear god. if the XBone becomes slang "X-Bone... yaaaa. lets play some X boooone boys!" Im going to release the hantavirus.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by puckluck2
Well, deal with it. I wasn't cheering for Canada either way. Nothing worse than arrogant Canadian fans. They'd be lucky to finish 4th. Quote me on that. They have a bad team and that is why I won't be cheering for them.
