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Old 05-23-2013, 07:16 PM   #281
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Putting a couple decent passers like Backlund and Sven with Nichushkin could be a very deadly line. That's as drool inducing as having Barkov center a line with Sven and Hartman/Zykov on a couple years. Hopefully they take one of those RW.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:37 PM   #282
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Winger or not, Nichushkin looks like a game-changer. At 18, he is 6'4 and over 200 lbs- he still may grow an inch and fill out more as he matures. He reminds me a lot of how Malkin controls the puck. I wouldn't like to see us pass up on a potential franchise player. Ideally, we use a trade or our other 2 first rounders to move up in the draft and get Nichushkin and say a Monahan.
I'm not so sure about Malkin. I see him as a more physical Afinogenov. He doesn't have the vision Malkin has, and he doesn't keep his head up when he has the puck, very much like Afinogenov did. He has the good hands and he's strong, but I don't see anything close to Malkin yet. I actually thing in the NHL he'll get the puck stolen a whole lot from him because of the way he tries to out reach his opponent as opposed to Jagr or Malkin who use their reach but also hold the puck in their skates. Just my opinion, but in a year like this, I'd probably draft him around 11.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:15 PM   #283
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A Canes fan site mock draft has him at #5. This was from yesterday.

http://www.canescountry.com/2013/6/1...eri-nichushkin
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:01 PM   #284
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This is worth the bump?
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:28 PM   #285
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This is worth the bump?
Yes, because he could be a Flame come Jun 30th and theirs a new video of him on youtubeeeee

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Old 06-19-2013, 04:55 PM   #286
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Yes, because he could be a Flame come Jun 30th and theirs a new video of him on youtubeeeee

Serious potential - kind of reminds me of Malkin a bit. I'm fully sold on the guy, which isn't to say I'd be upset with Monahan/Lindholm, but if you have the opportunity to hit a homerun, you do it.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:53 PM   #287
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The Flames hold the 6th pick in the upcoming June 30th NHL entry draft. Word is they have heavy interest in 6'4 200 pound winger Valeri Nichushkin.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:33 PM   #288
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Nichuchkin is a lot like Jankowski, in that projections for him are based more on qualitative observations than any kind of statistical analysis.

So if the Flames are going all-in on being able to outsmart the stats, Nichuchkin could be the pick, but that's a bet I hope they don't make.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:36 PM   #289
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Nichuchkin is a lot like Jankowski, in that projections for him are based more on qualitative observations than any kind of statistical analysis.

So if the Flames are going all-in on being able to outsmart the stats, Nichuchkin could be the pick, but that's a bet I hope they don't make.
high school player vs a guy playing in the khl. very similar situations indeed..
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Didn't Jankowski have like 56 goals and 90+ points in his draft year? I know, high school league, but those are stats, nonetheless.

Valeri definitely showed offensive output at the WJCs though.

Still would rather play it 'safe' if possible. But now I'm starting to think that the only way they do that is if they can get their hands on Barkov.
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high school player vs a guy playing in the khl. very similar situations indeed..
It's almost like you completely ignored the part of my post where I explained how they are similar.
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It's almost like you completely ignored the part of my post where I explained how they are similar.
yah but in order to qualitatively rate a player, you should put into perspective the league they're playing in, etc.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:47 PM   #293
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Hope Strickland is right. Nichushkin will most likely be the BPA at #6
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:55 PM   #294
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Hope Strickland is right. Nichushkin will most likely be the BPA at #6
Very real chance he could end up being the best player in the draft period

If he was a North American player, he would be the guaranteed #1 pick
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Didn't Jankowski have like 56 goals and 90+ points in his draft year? I know, high school league, but those are stats, nonetheless.

Valeri definitely showed offensive output at the WJCs though.

Still would rather play it 'safe' if possible. But now I'm starting to think that the only way they do that is if they can get their hands on Barkov.
Jankowski's draft league is so bad that when you account for how bad it is, those stats don't justify his selection.

Nichuchkin was a decent scorer at the U18s (7P, 6GP), not very productive at the WJC (2P, 6GP). Neither of those are high enough to put him statistically ahead of Lindholm, Monahan or even guys like Klimchuk or Lehkonen.

I'm not saying the stats are weak enough to say that they shouldn't have been drafted where they were/are expected to, but what I am saying is that the stats aren't strong enough to say that should've/should.

They're risky picks because they don't have the production you'd expect at their positions. It's fine to take a chance on a player like that, but I don't like the idea of betting several top picks on a method that devalues scoring stats.

As for a safe bet for the Flames, I want Lindholm. There's a risk that he's taken top 5 though.

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Old 06-19-2013, 10:05 PM   #296
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MacKinnon > Barkov > Monahan > Nichuskin > Lindholm for me still.

Won't be upset with any one of them.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:14 PM   #297
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Jankowski's draft league is so bad that when you account for how bad it is, those stats don't justify his selection.

Nichuchkin was a decent scorer at the U18s (7P, 6GP), not very productive at the WJC (2P, 6GP). Neither of those are high enough to put him statistically ahead of Lindholm, Monahan or even guys like Klimchuk or Lehkonen.

I'm not saying the stats are weak enough to say that they shouldn't have been drafted where they were/are expected to, but what I am saying is that the stats aren't strong enough to say that should've/should.

They're risky picks because they don't have the production you'd expect at their positions. It's fine to take a chance on a player like that, but I don't like the idea of betting several top picks on a method that devalues scoring stats.

As for a safe bet for the Flames, I want Lindholm. There's a risk that he's taken top 5 though.
Good thing stats aren't the be all/ end all in determining whether a kid can be a good player.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:21 PM   #298
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I've got 'em MacKinnon > Barkov > Lindholm >> Monahan > Nichuchkin, considering both upside and bust potential.

Nichuchkin could be the highest upside of the group, but he's easily got the highest bust potential. I'd stay away.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:29 PM   #299
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For me, it's

MacKinnon
Drouin
Barkov
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Monahan
Nichushkin
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Lindholm (only because he isn't guaranteed to be a C)

I think Monahan might be gone to Carolina, if so they should draft Nichushkin.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:29 PM   #300
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Very real chance he could end up being the best player in the draft period

If he was a North American player, he would be the guaranteed #1 pick
If he was playing in the CHL he would have probably outproduced Drouin.
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