Ken King Interveiw w/bob McCown

[Locke]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Lol at the spelling of Rhudey

Should be 'Rudey.'

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

That would be fun around here when we had to fire the coach.

Which is why having Iginla as coach would be completey inappropriate and why sometimes our thoughts (such as the one I had) should not be reality.

Iggy should be remembered as the best player to ever dawn a flames jersey, not as a player who came back to coach and was then run out of town.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Conroy - President (His PR skills are much more suited to President)
Genlinas - GM (Hockey guy as a GM is always a good thing and from all accounts he is very proffessional)
Iginla - Coach (Every Player would look up to him and listen, although I would hate for his reputation to be tarnished because we calgary folk tend to be very hard on our coaches.)

So yeah like the idea, but the order of employment is different in my brain than yours.

Ok, I'll settle for Conroy as GM, but Gelinas has to be the coach. (For reasons stated above)

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Which is why having Iginla as coach would be completey inappropriate and why sometimes our thoughts (such as the one I had) should not be reality.

Iggy should be remembered as the best player to ever dawn a flames jersey, not as a player who came back to coach and was then run out of town.

I think Conroys role would be good for Iggy. With the organization but not directly responsible if #### does hit the fan like a GM or Coach would be.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I think Conroys role would be good for Iggy. With the organization but not directly responsible if #### does hit the fan like a GM or Coach would be.

Iggy's pretty good at getting his way. He just schooled our Pres and GM.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To Moons comment, why do we need a hockey guy as the president...

The last thing we need is a hockey guy in that role, the presidents role is the business end.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If you bring in a president who's main role is to oversea the hockey department then what's point to having a GM, we'd be in the same situation we are now.

I think there needs to be more separation between president and hockey department not less.

I've said this before, but there are roles and duties that a hockey club needs to fill, and job titles don't really matter. There are many teams where the GM is also the President so that the GM only needs to report to the owner. Then you have the John Davidson Blues teams where Davidson was the President and made all the decisions and the GM was tasked with handling the day to day duties of a GM. Then you have teams with powerful yet meddling Presidents and these teams are rarely successful (eg. Columbus when Mike Priest was President).

In the Flames situation, the team should either have a President who doesn't interfere with the GM's duties or give the President title to the team's GM. The key is to have a hockey guy making the final decisions on anything related to hockey operations.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Shame on me for commenting in this thread after only getting the 'gist' of it by other comments.

I don't see a point where KK 'throws Iginla under the bus'.

Seems to have happened just like my own speculation on it:

1) Flames asked Jarome if he would waive.
2) Jarome said yes
3) Jarome provided 4 teams he would have gone to
4) Flames received 3 offers from the 4 teams on that list
5) Flames told Iginla which teams were interested
6) Jarome picked Pittsburgh

While the OP said: "Ken King would want the list in writing next time", I took it as for the remainder of all the NTC/NMC. King also went on to say that he isn't sure that would have changed the outcome anyways.

Sure sounds like it was the Flames accommodating Jarome's wishes in going to the team he felt he had the best chance at winning with (and there is no way there is a bigger favorite out there right now).

Glad I really listened to the whole thing. The big 3 points I got out of it was:

1) Flames were willing to move Jarome to whatever team he MOST wanted to go to, and that Jarome did in fact prefer Pitts over Boston, but WAS WILLING to go to Boston if there was no interest from Pittsburgh.

2) Ken King went out of his way a number of times to say how great Jarome was, what he meant to the organization, and so forth.

3) Flames are kick-starting their rebuild.

Very little 'controversy' here. I feel you REALLY have to over-think some comments and put your own spin to see it. Just what I got out of it. Maybe I take too many things at face-value, but I don't see him 'throwing Jarome under the bus' or having Jarome 'hold them at gunpoint' and nixing a trade. Ken King was very clear that the Flames received 3 'good offers' and then approached Jarome as to which team he was willing to go to.

[GirlySports]

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I don't think King threw Jarome under the bus either and by the end of the interview, McCown got King to basically admit that the Flames were stupid.

The controversy is on Boston's side. That deal was done.
Why would they or any other team deal with the Flames again?

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The primetime sports roundtable today was pretty funny. Cox arguing that the Flames were stupid and let Iginla choose and McCown trying to argue that the Flames can't be that stupid and it was Iginla who reneged on an agreement that the Flames thought they had verbally.

How Cox explains the scenario step by step about Feaster and Chirelli was pretty funny and I believe pretty accurate. Have to agree with Cox here amazing, the Flames management ARE that stupid.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

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I don't think King threw Jarome under the bus either and by the end of the interview, McCown got King to basically admit that the Flames were stupid.

The controversy is on Boston's side. That deal was done.
Why would they or any other team deal with the Flames again?

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The primetime sports roundtable today was pretty funny. Cox arguing that the Flames were stupid and let Iginla choose and McCown trying to argue that the Flames can't be that stupid and it was Iginla who reneged on an agreement that the Flames thought they had verbally.

How Cox explains the scenario step by step about Feaster and Chirelli was pretty funny and I believe pretty accurate. Have to agree with Cox here amazing, the Flames management ARE that stupid.

When listening to the Chiarelli bit, Chiarelli did in fact say he likes Feaster and thinks a lot of him. He also goes on to say that although he thought he 'won the sweepstakes', he also goes on to say that 'this type of thing happens a lot more than people ever know, especially when players have NTCs'.

I think if there is a deal to be made, Chiarelli will definitely not hesitate to pull the trigger. At the very end of the interview, he also stated "I have never seen anything like this before as a GM in terms of how few players are available, and what the prices are."

I don't think the Flames management are 'stupid' either - I just think it was obvious they were allowing Jarome to pick what team he wanted to go to. Had it been Bouwmeester, or Sarich, or whomever else on the team, then I would be inclined to agree with the 'stupidity' angle. This was for Jarome - in part to thank him for his years of service, the fact that they probably do indeed want to retire his number at some point - but also for the loyal fans who probably do want to see Iginla raise the cup. Sure, I bet they wanted a better deal for him, no doubt, but it wasn't exactly like Boston's offer was that much better either. If it was, perhaps things would have played out differently.

I do believe the intent was to allow Jarome to pick his destination considering what he has meant to this organization for so many years, and in looking past at other 'greats' on the Flames like MacInnis, Nieuwendyk and Gilmour in particular that went on to leave in less than stellar terms. They wanted this one done right.

Let's see how they handle Bouwmeester now - expectations for a return are pretty high, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames asked for a list, and dealt with other teams outside his list and getting it leaked in the media if the offer is what they want much like they did to Regehr. Regehr didn't want to go to Buffalo, but after that media circus (and the owner flying in to see him personally) he decided to move on. Tough to go back onto your team after that happens.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Shame on me for commenting in this thread after only getting the 'gist' of it by other comments.

Great post, and shame on me too for doing the same. The hosts (and possibly the original poster) had an agenda to make Iginla out to be the bad guy, but King wouldn't bite. I have absolutely no problem with the way this trade was handled by Iginla or the organization.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flamesaresmokin

How did management think this team would compete this year? Did anyone under the sun think this team was going to be a playoff team?

Pretty scary that these guys are now in charge of addressing a rebuild and too bad this didn't start a year or two ago like many realistic fans were calling for it.

Delusional group think.

Cervenka was going to be a top 6 centre and Backs was going to be a 2a.

Hudler and Wideman provide more offense.

Good to go.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Delusional group think.

This is why I am hoping for a house cleaning (GM and president) either after the trade deadline, or in the off season.

At the very least, we got a signal from the president that they are being a little more objective.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by starseed

This is why I am hoping for a house cleaning (GM and president) either after the trade deadline, or in the off season.

At the very least, we got a signal from the president that they are being a little more objective.

They had little choice with the team close to last in the league

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by moon

I do (and don't because it makes management look like idiots) hope it was more of a case Feaster saying we have 3 deals we like which one do you like and not Feaster saying we are good with Boston and Iginla saying "Boston, no thanks" as that makes Jarome look bad.

late to the party here but anyways, this doesn't make sense to me, why would Feaster ask Iginla which deal he prefers, what does Iginla care who goes the other way?

He gave them list of 4 teams, the idea of asking him which deal he prefers is ridiculous as he probably hasn't ever heard of the names of players coming back.

If Iginla said he was OK with Boston (and Pitts and two other teams) and then he vetoed the Boston deal that indeed makes him look bad and a lot.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by fotze

Maybe they concocted the 4 team thing because it was only 1 team. Iginla always had 1 team on his list and they had to use Boston like a bitch to try and extract as much as possible from Pitt. They created this 4 team bidding war hoax.

They concocted this mess to squeeze two no names out of the bottom of Pitts prospect cupboard?

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You're assuming that Iginla/Meehan conveyed that it was only a short-list. The Flames were under the impression that it wasn't, and given Meehan's reputation for always keeping his cards close to his chest, I tend to believe that there was an intention on Meehan's and Iginla's part to not offer too much information.

But then whats the point of giving a list of 4 teams if you know you only want to go to Pittsburgh? Surely Meehan and Iginla don't give two hoots about creating a bidding war to drive up the price?

If anything, a bidding war was not in Iginla's interest because it could mean that a roster player was coming back thus weakening Pitt thus lowering his chance to get his Cup.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Shame on me for commenting in this thread after only getting the 'gist' of it by other comments.

I don't see a point where KK 'throws Iginla under the bus'.

Seems to have happened just like my own speculation on it:

1) Flames asked Jarome if he would waive.
2) Jarome said yes
3) Jarome provided 4 teams he would have gone to
4) Flames received 3 offers from the 4 teams on that list
5) Flames told Iginla which teams were interested
6) Jarome picked Pittsburgh

While the OP said: "Ken King would want the list in writing next time", I took it as for the remainder of all the NTC/NMC. King also went on to say that he isn't sure that would have changed the outcome anyways.

Sure sounds like it was the Flames accommodating Jarome's wishes in going to the team he felt he had the best chance at winning with (and there is no way there is a bigger favorite out there right now).

Glad I really listened to the whole thing. The big 3 points I got out of it was:

1) Flames were willing to move Jarome to whatever team he MOST wanted to go to, and that Jarome did in fact prefer Pitts over Boston, but WAS WILLING to go to Boston if there was no interest from Pittsburgh.

2) Ken King went out of his way a number of times to say how great Jarome was, what he meant to the organization, and so forth.

3) Flames are kick-starting their rebuild.

Very little 'controversy' here. I feel you REALLY have to over-think some comments and put your own spin to see it. Just what I got out of it. Maybe I take too many things at face-value, but I don't see him 'throwing Jarome under the bus' or having Jarome 'hold them at gunpoint' and nixing a trade. Ken King was very clear that the Flames received 3 'good offers' and then approached Jarome as to which team he was willing to go to.

Unlikely, as it doesn't make sense. Why would Iginla care "which offer is the best and choose one" if he gave 4 teams he would go to? Makes zero sense for him to even look at trades. He looks and Boston deal and thinks "Bartkowski? No way I am getting traded for this guy?" I don't think so.

So the point 5 is "Flames told Iginla there's a deal with Boston and asked him to formally waive his NTC and Iggy said I don't want to go to Boston I want to go to Pittsburgh"

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

While the OP said: "Ken King would want the list in writing next time", I took it as for the remainder of all the NTC/NMC. King also went on to say that he isn't sure that would have changed the outcome anyways.

Sure sounds like it was the Flames accommodating Jarome's wishes in going to the team he felt he had the best chance at winning with (and there is no way there is a bigger favorite out there right now).

This is a real head scratcher for me and I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation. King was asked "if you HAD TO DO IT OVER AGAIN would you have it in writing? King answered "ya we probably would". Now this could be a situation where King simply mispoke as it would make life easier had the team obtained a waiver to specific teams in writing, but King was asked whether he would have the list of teams in writing (with a written waiver) if he can do the whole Iginla trade again and not about future trades. That brings me to what makes me scratch my head. If it was all about accommodating Jarome, then really there wouldn't be a need to have anything in writing because the team would still go with Jarome's preference. Personally, I would interpret King's statement as the team would get a written waiver from Jarome so they can trade him to whatever team that was on his list.


With that said, I think Jay Feaster should change the way he handles the trading of players with NTCs. The Iginla situation was completely avoidable. Much more avoidable than the Regehr situation where we could excuse Feaster because things came together quickly.

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Glad I really listened to the whole thing. The big 3 points I got out of it was:

1) Flames were willing to move Jarome to whatever team he MOST wanted to go to, and that Jarome did in fact prefer Pitts over Boston, but WAS WILLING to go to Boston if there was no interest from Pittsburgh.

Well ya, the Flames were willing to move Jarome. You make it sound like the Flames was most concerned with accommodating Jarome. The reality is that if Jarome said that the only team he would go to is the Pens, the Flames would still have moved him because they decided to trade Jarome. The reality is that the Flames HAD TO accommodate Jarome because Jarome controlled where he would go.

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't see him 'throwing Jarome under the bus' or having Jarome 'hold them at gunpoint' and nixing a trade.

I agree. King was clear that Iginla was in control of his own destiny.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Unlikely, as it doesn't make sense. Why would Iginla care "which offer is the best and choose one" if he gave 4 teams he would go to? Makes zero sense for him to even look at trades. He looks and Boston deal and thinks "Bartkowski? No way I am getting traded for this guy?" I don't think so.

So the point 5 is "Flames told Iginla there's a deal with Boston and asked him to formally waive his NTC and Iggy said I don't want to go to Boston I want to go to Pittsburgh"

It doesn't work that way. Just like Regehr, Iginla probably asked if he had other options besides the Bruins. When told that the Penguins also made an acceptable offer Iginla decided the preferred the Pens.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by FAN

It doesn't work that way. Just like Regehr, Iginla probably asked if he had other options besides the Bruins. When told that the Penguins also made an acceptable offer Iginla decided the preferred the Pens.

Again, that doesn't make sense. Boston was on his list, he was informed that deal with Boston has been made, period. There should have been no other option.

Giving Iginla 3 deals to choose from is ridiculous. What is he choosing? Players coming back don't matter to him at all. He either played them knowing he only accepts Pittsburgh or he changed his mind after telling them he's OK with 4 teams. Giving him names of players that are coming back to "choose from" is ridiculous.

He was choosing teams, not deals, and okayed Boston, then changed his mind.