I like Jay Feaster

[Stay Golden]

Feaster's last 2 trades have both been a step in the right direction.

[BurningSteel]

I think hes been on the right path since #12 departed.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Feaster's last 2 trades have both been a step in the right direction.

I think more than the last two would qualify.

Iggy for Hanowski, Agostino, 1st (Klimchuk)
Bouw for Berra, Cundari, 1st (Poirier)
Comeau for 5th (Roy)
4th for Rights to Knight
Tanguay, Sarich for Jones, O'Brien
4th for Galiardi

Really decent string of rebuild trades IMO.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lesser players have fetched higher returns and while the 1st round picks are fine I have more of a beef with the mediocre prospects involved as neither the Penguins or Blues prospects were regarded as top 10 prospects in either pool and you can argue they just threw them in as a courtesy seeing they weren't part of those teams plans moving forward.

Judging how Iginla played against the Bruins, do you think he warranted more of a return than the Penguins offered? Maybe Shero knew exactly what he was getting, and simply wasn't going to offer any more.

As for Bouwmeester, his contract made him hard to deal. It sounds like the Wings made a pitch, but it clearly wasn't a strong as the Blues pitch (it didn't include a first-rounder, and likely none of their top prospects).

When you've decided to move out a player to rebuild, and there are only three or four teams interested in him, you don't have much leverage. You try to play the suitors off against each other, but in the end they offer what they offer. Would you be happier if Feaster hung onto Bouwmeester and Iginla at the deadline because there were no good deals? I suspect you'd want Feaster's head for not moving them.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I think more than the last two would qualify.

Iggy for Hanowski, Agostino, 1st (Klimchuk)
Bouw for Berra, Cundari, 1st (Poirier)
Comeau for 5th (Roy)
4th for Rights to Knight
Tanguay, Sarich for Jones, O'Brien
4th for Galiardi

Really decent string of rebuild trades IMO.

I think the bolded ones are great deals for the Flames. The others I'm in more of a wait & see mode.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

This "fleecing" idea is to me a media creation. Every team has a motivation to make a trade. Sometimes the motivation isn't readily apparent and the media may call them "losers" in a trade. GM know their industry better than we do. They essentially work in a 30 person market and they can only receive what someone else is willing to pay for their goods. Sometimes the value is high...sometimes it isn't. They have to determine if they are willing to accept the return that the market is offering.

Sometimes GMs get lucky and the value for their players is really high or a player being offered really fits their needs. These I suppose are the "winners" of a trade but you can't "fleece" someone in the industry. GMs aren't stupid (except Milbury) and will only give up what they want to give up for the assets they will receive. It always takes two to tango in the trading market.

Exactly. From the way fans talk, you'd think there are some GMs out there who perform jedi mind tricks and persuade their peers to give up more in a trade than they wanted to give up. That's not the case. The whole braintrust of a team will have a pretty firm idea of what their assets are worth, and they won't take less for those assets than their value. You can't trick or bully someone into undervaluing their own assets and overvaluing yours. And if they are wrong in their valuations, it has nothing to do with what's said in trade negotiations.

IMHO, NHL GMs are very, very close in their assessments of what each player or pick is worth. Trades happen because teams have different needs and different tolerance for risk at any point in time.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I think more than the last two would qualify.

Iggy for Hanowski, Agostino, 1st (Klimchuk)
Bouw for Berra, Cundari, 1st (Poirier)
Comeau for 5th (Roy)
4th for Rights to Knight
Tanguay, Sarich for Jones, O'Brien
4th for Galiardi

Really decent string of rebuild trades IMO.

I think all of those six trades have the potential to be good for us. If two of the three prospects from each the Iggy and the Bouwmeester trade become NHL regulars than that's huge wins in my book. If Jones can find his scoring touch again then that's great too. The Knight and Galiardi trades already look good, but let them hit the ice first before I get really excited.

It's a very solid start to the rebuild in my opinion.

[Enoch Root]

average age out: 32
average age in: 23.2

cap hit out: $20.68M
cap hit in: probably 5 guys play this year at about $11-12M

there is a lot more to it than that, but those stats are a factor

5 players and 2 picks (4th round) out
11 players/prospects in

only time will tell, but those trades, in the aggregate, are pretty solid in a rebuild

one final point: there is a pretty big culture change to those trades... and I think pretty much all of us wanted that

[moon]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

So the general sentiment for Feaster haters is that past attempts to make big bold moves to improv an ailing franchise may possibly have set back said franchise, so until there are enough good moves done by Feaster, these 2 or 3 incidents (out of at least 30 or so) are going to haunt every big day (i.e. draft day, deadline day, UFA day) that he oversees until he's fired?

Can we make an agreement with the Feaster hater crowd? If Feaster does well on UFA day coming up I request the following:
1) We stop talking about the Brad Richards and Ryan O'Reilly situations since they didn't actually end up happening and therefore do NOT affect the franchise.
2) We give Feaster a pat on the back for his recent exceptional work at restocking our prospect cupboards.
3) We give him the benefit of the doubt going forward and stop all these "I'm worried" and "If Feaster does 'X' he needs to be fired immediately" posts.

I for one am fully confident in this group to build a good team. There's been a lot of progress over the past 2 years. It's obviously going to take longer to be a true contender, but I know they will make mostly good moves. Until Feaster starts pulling Al Coates or Doug Risebrough moves, I will defer to his expertise and leave him the hell alone.

I don't hate Feaster I just think he is a horrible, horrible GM. As a person he seems nice enough and if he had a role outside of hockey ops with the team I would be fine with that.

As to some other points my main issue is not that that attempts at big bold moves may have possibly hurt the franchise it is that his horrible assessment of the team as a contender and not making deals when it was clear they needed to be made severly hurt this franchise.

As well his "big moves" have all been failures, the ROR is not a disaster because of us possibly losing him for nothing it is a disaster because it was a horrible hockey move if we would have got him, the Regehr deal sucked, the UFA signings have sucked, the Iginla/Kipper returns are way less than they should have been if we moved them earlier.

All of his "wins" seem to be either pretty small or unproven. He has not done an exceptional job of rebuilding the prospect cupboard. He may have had some nice drafts but way too early to tell and he will need some big leaps from guys to make it exceptional. The Galiardi move was nice but it gets us a 3rd/4th liner so doesn't come close to his previous misteps. Corban Knight has done 0 at the professional level and looks okay as a possible 3rd/4th liner down the line but again not close to a move that shows he has a clue about judging hockey talent. The Tanguay deal is a lot of meh going out for meh going in.

Much like his time in TB he took a team that had many assets but needed to change direction and ran the team into the ground wasting assets and totally misjudging where the teams were at and what the teams needed to do going forward.

Until Feaster shows that he has any ability to judge talent and make moves that actually help this team improve not sure why he would get any benefit of the doubt when everything he has done as a GM points to him deserving to be fired.

[BurningSteel]

In keeping with my tradition of bumping this thread, the signing of Backlund was an amazing job.

I hope my next addition to this is when Begin pays the flames $500,000 to play here.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think the bolded ones are great deals for the Flames. The others I'm in more of a wait & see mode.

You're not sold on Comeau for a 5th round pick?

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't hate Feaster I just think he is a horrible, horrible GM. As a person he seems nice enough and if he had a role outside of hockey ops with the team I would be fine with that.

As to some other points my main issue is not that that attempts at big bold moves may have possibly hurt the franchise it is that his horrible assessment of the team as a contender and not making deals when it was clear they needed to be made severly hurt this franchise.

As well his "big moves" have all been failures, the ROR is not a disaster because of us possibly losing him for nothing it is a disaster because it was a horrible hockey move if we would have got him, the Regehr deal sucked, the UFA signings have sucked, the Iginla/Kipper returns are way less than they should have been if we moved them earlier.

All of his "wins" seem to be either pretty small or unproven. He has not done an exceptional job of rebuilding the prospect cupboard. He may have had some nice drafts but way too early to tell and he will need some big leaps from guys to make it exceptional. The Galiardi move was nice but it gets us a 3rd/4th liner so doesn't come close to his previous misteps. Corban Knight has done 0 at the professional level and looks okay as a possible 3rd/4th liner down the line but again not close to a move that shows he has a clue about judging hockey talent. The Tanguay deal is a lot of meh going out for meh going in.

Much like his time in TB he took a team that had many assets but needed to change direction and ran the team into the ground wasting assets and totally misjudging where the teams were at and what the teams needed to do going forward.

Until Feaster shows that he has any ability to judge talent and make moves that actually help this team improve not sure why he would get any benefit of the doubt when everything he has done as a GM points to him deserving to be fired.

Can't disagree with too much in that post, except for the bolded. Feaster and Co. have done a very good job of restocking the cupboards. Darryl left him with scraps and although we don't have any elite/can't-miss talent, we have some fine prospects in the system. I'll hand it to Darryl that Brodie, Backlund, and Phanuef were good picks and the jury is still out on Ramage/Reinhart but Baertschi/Gaudreau/Jankowski/Wotherspoon/Granlund/Gillies/etc. > Pelech/Wahl/Nemisz/Boyd/Howse/Ortio/etc. I'm not sure how much leeway Feaster might have with ownership but I think years from now we'll be able to look back at his drafting and be pretty happy with the restocking he did, especially with what was left behind by his predessor. Whether he's still around in those few years though, remains to be seen.

[iggy_oi]

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