[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 in shootout

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Allow me to clear up the point I was making: The first five games of the season are not a good measuring stick. So when we get some bodies back it should make a considerable difference over the roster we iced tonight.

Allow me to clear up the point I am making when we get some bodies back it could make a difference or the team could continue to lose games like they did when they had a healthy roster.

They are a better team with those guys back but that doesn't mean they will be good enough to get the wins. They didn't get them earlier in the season and haven't got them for the past 3 years.

Several posters come across that way to me in just about every post game thread over the last couple years. I'm not interested enough in what you think to dig up examples. I stated that's how it comes across to me.

LOL

Shocking that for the billionth time on this board you go to the garbage "I am not going to back up my claiming" BS again.

[LiquidX]

Originally Posted by dino7c

reality my friend...we need a GREAT record from now on to sneak into the playoffs

We get enough reality when we watch the team play. Pretty sure no one needs you to come on here and spell it out for them again and again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Cant really dispute any of that honestly. Unless you mean he is saying they are losers Because of Kip and Iggy.

Agreed, Kip and Iggy can't carry a team anymore...and honestly the Flames were only average in their prime...how can we expect to win now?

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Wow, this guy on Overtime better not come on here, he is a self-identified fan who says that the Flames are losers, that they are lousy, that they are pathetic, that they have been losers with Iginla and Kipper and that they are nowhere near being an elite team. He sounds like the ultimate anti-fan......he ended the call by saying that the Flames have not been successful and will not be successful. Not sure how he can even identify himself as a fan.

I listened to him. He is a diehard fan he is just frustrated. If you are a die hard fan dont you want your team to be successful? Maybe he is frustrated?

Its like a father being dissapointed in his kid if year in and year out he is a failure and dissapointment. Doesn't mean he doesnt love his son. He just wants changes and him to be successful.

I am not here to judge who is a true fan and who is not. But I do question the hockey IQ of some fans who accept losing year in and year out and simply are content with keeping certain players around just to have their jersey retired with the team.

I am 28 years old and Have cheered for the Flames since I remember watching them play and win the cup in 1989. Since then in 24 years they have made it past the first round once. That's a terrible run.

I think every Flames fan wants the team to make the playoffs and go far and have a lively and entertaining red mile.

But alot of fans on here are fine with the status quo, just like the Owners are.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by LiquidX

irony isn't your strong suit is it? I ask because that's a pretty damn pretentious post.

We know what's wrong with the team. We've known what's been wrong with the team for 6+ years. Your "proactive thinking/objective analysis" as you put it is nothing new. Stop waving your amateur nhl analyst banner for a minute and go read the forum for the last several years. There are gaping holes in this roster that have been there for the better part of a decade - and management hasn't been able to fill them.

Toughness isn't the issue here. Plenty of teams have been able to win without toughness. The problem is heart, and frankly, I haven't seen a gutsy performance from this team in a very long time. This team needs a spark to rekindle the fire in their bellies. In years past, that would have been an embarrassing loss to a conference rival, but they've been playing for 8th for so long, they don't seem to care anymore.

do you know what the word pretentious means? It seems like you don't, or you are just being condescending for me pointing out a statistical fact... exactly the point we've been talking about. Holier than thou posters being condescending to posters who point out statistical facts.

This post just bleeds condescension in every single way, it's pathetic really. You seriously have issues man, 4 condescending backhanded comments in one post when I made zero personal attacks and just want to talk about the team. This routine is getting stale.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by stormchaser

This is a different team if our hospital ward clears up.

Can't wait for the healthy 1-3-2 lineup back, then we'll be Rollin'!

[Five-hole]

Glencross is so out of the game that he got in the way of the puck carrier, on a PP, while going off on a change. Like, come on, man.

Some players really playing poorly right now. Jarome looks very uninspired.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Cant really dispute any of that honestly. Unless you mean he is saying they are losers Because of Kip and Iggy.

His point was that they have been losers with those guys not that they are losers because of those guys for what it is worth.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Dion

If it was Kerr doing overtime he would have cut the caller off. Stienberg is too nice and polite to the callers.

As a radio guy, I'm not a huge fan of how Pat handles callers. It's also an issue with the call screener. He keeps them on too long, especially the ones who are all over the place. He ends up having long, drawn out conversations with Joe Blow from wherever and to me, that's not good radio. You gotta recognize what a good call is and what's a bad caller.

A good call in show, is when a guy makes a point, counter point from host, maybe another point from caller and out. If there's a good debate going on, then by all means, keep the ball rolling, but a lot of the time, Pat keeps them on way too long. I think Pat is a great guy on the Fan, but his handling of post game callers is where I have issue.

If it's a directive from the program director, then it's not on Pat.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by moon

Allow me to clear up the point I am making when we get some bodies back it could make a difference or the team could continue to lose games like they did when they had a healthy roster.

They are a better team with those guys back but that doesn't mean they will be good enough to get the wins. They didn't get them earlier in the season and haven't got them for the past 3 years.

So either they will or won't make a difference between us winning more games? That's good stuff Moon. Can't argue with that.

I think they will make a difference and we'll win more than we would without them. But, the fact we might not is a valid point as well.

Originally Posted by moon

Shocking that for the billionth time on this board you go to the garbage "I am not going to back up my claiming" BS again.

Moon you bore me. I'm not interested in your "show me" game. According to you, you're not endlessly negative about Flames prospects because no one can "prove" that to you.

It's your schtick, and everyone knows it.

I answered your questions after you responded to just about everything I said on the other page, but as mentioned, I don't really care enough about what you think to entertain your "prove it to me" game.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

As a radio guy, I'm not a huge fan of how Pat handles callers. It's also an issue with the call screener. He keeps them on too long, especially the ones who are all over the place. He ends up having long, drawn out conversations with Joe Blow from wherever and to me, that's not good radio. You gotta recognize what a good call is and what's a bad caller.

A good call in show, is when a guy makes a point, counter point from host, maybe another point from caller and out. If there's a good debate going on, then by all means, keep the ball rolling, but a lot of the time, Pat keeps them on way too long. I think Pat is a great guy on the Fan, but his handling of post game callers is where I have issue.

If it's a directive from the program director, then it's not on Pat.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't quite sure what went on behind the scenes.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

As a radio guy, I'm not a huge fan of how Pat handles callers. It's also an issue with the call screener. He keeps them on too long, especially the ones who are all over the place. He ends up having long, drawn out conversations with Joe Blow from wherever and to me, that's not good radio. You gotta recognize what a good call is and what's a bad caller.

A good call in show, is when a guy makes a point, counter point from host, maybe another point from caller and out. If there's a good debate going on, then by all means, keep the ball rolling, but a lot of the time, Pat keeps them on way too long. I think Pat is a great guy on the Fan, but his handling of post game callers is where I have issue.

If it's a directive from the program director, then it's not on Pat.

I think Pat does a great job. I would say only half of all callers are capable of having an intelligent hockey conversation.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by LiquidX

We get enough reality when we watch the team play. Pretty sure no one needs you to come on here and spell it out for them again and again.

its hockey discussion...that is what the boards for

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I think Pat does a great job. I would say only half of all callers are capable of having an intelligent hockey conversation.

Pat seems really patient for a lot of the crap he gets from some very unintelligent callers. I think he does a good job but man are some of those callers mouth breathers.

[puckluck2]

Vancouver radio is just as bad, if not worse. Half the callers usually sound high, probably because they are.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Ya, probably better to only have callers who think we are great

How about callers that have a proper balance in thier views and not overly negitive. Better screening of calls.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

How about callers that have a proper balance in thier views and not overly negitive. Better screening of calls.

well they need to get the general feeling of fans, there are more "negetive" fans this days and for good reason

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I think Pat does a great job. I would say only half of all callers are capable of having an intelligent hockey conversation.

His job, in my opinion is to find the good ones and keep those while letting the bad ones go. He doesn't need to be a jerk and cut them off or anything like that, a subtle "thanks for the call" is all good and move on to the next guy. To me, bad callers kill a show.

The producer or screener is a real big part of this as well. It's not all on Pat. I don't screen calls anymore, but when I did, it wasn't tough to get a good read on whether or not a guy was a solid caller or not. There'd be plenty of times where I'd write "DONT TAKE" on the phone board.

Just my opinion though, Pat's the host, it's his show.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Dion

How about callers that have a proper balance in thier views and not overly negitive. Better screening of calls.

Did you even hear the call?

[MrMastodonFarm]

moon gets a lot of crap but he's not nearly as annoying as that vextor character. You get rid of him and magicpixels and this forum and threads like this get instantly better.