Annual Trade Iggy thread

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by gartman

I can't wait till the young guns era

Careful what you wish for...

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why do you care about money? You aren't the one paying him.

Look at Lightning fans. Lecavalier is one of the most overpaid players in the league and is signed for the next decade, is putting up mediocre numbers, and yet the fans still love him.

Mediocre numbers? He's a PPG player this year. He puts up moderate 1st line on-pace production every season in his career. It's just that he's rarely healthy over a course of an 82 game season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ezio

Mediocre numbers? He's a PPG player this year. He puts up moderate 1st line on-pace production every season in his career. It's just that he's rarely healthy over a course of an 82 game season.

He is also paid $7.7M on the cap which is more than moderate 1st line players should be getting paid. Like Ashasx said he is owed that cap hit for the next 8-10 years.

[red sky]

Jay: Fool me once... okay, okay, fool me twice but I swear not three times. Maybe 2.5 times, half a season and all.

[powderjunkie]

How much do you think we would have to add to get Logan Couture out of SJ? Assuming they fall off of their current pace going in to the deadline, I could see them wanting to do something dramatic to avoid another early exit.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How much do you think we would have to add to get Logan Couture out of SJ? Assuming they fall off of their current pace going in to the deadline, I could see them wanting to do something dramatic to avoid another early exit.

You would start with Baertschi

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How much do you think we would have to add to get Logan Couture out of SJ? Assuming they fall off of their current pace going in to the deadline, I could see them wanting to do something dramatic to avoid another early exit.

They might shake things up but it won't be Logan going anywhere.

[zunie75]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How much do you think we would have to add to get Logan Couture out of SJ? Assuming they fall off of their current pace going in to the deadline, I could see them wanting to do something dramatic to avoid another early exit.

He wont be going anywhere. Future captain of the Sharks I would think.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He is also paid $7.7M on the cap which is more than moderate 1st line players should be getting paid. Like Ashasx said he is owed that cap hit for the next 8-10 years.

What can you do? Lecavalier signed that contract after what many experts believed he was the best player in the league alongside Crosby. He signed it after following up on seasons of 108 pts and 92 pts. He certainly is still a #1 caliber center and his past success and current production still makes him a very valuable player.

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by Ezio

What can you do? Lecavalier signed that contract after what many experts believed he was the best player in the league alongside Crosby. He signed it after following up on seasons of 108 pts and 92 pts. He certainly is still a #1 caliber center and his past success and current production still makes him a very valuable player.

his play makes him valuable... but unfortunately his contract doesn't.

[Vinny01]

I think Vinny is a buyout candidate just because the cap hit is ridiculous and the term is going to make it difficult for Tampa to makes moves going forward. Vinny barely justifies the cap hit today but no chance in 4-5 years

[DuffMan]

I'd like to keep Iginla at reduced minutes, reduced salary, and increased defensive commitment, until he retires.

When he is gone I will probably breathe a sigh of relief(or something) but look back fondly on his career here.

[1stLand]

I wish Calgary fans were more like Montreal fans.

Demanding more of its team and players.

Some fans are content with mediocrity.

We traded Doug Gilmour, Joe Neweindyk, Gary Roberts & Theoren Fleury.

I believe these players were just as good as Iginla.
If all these players played on the Flames as long as Jarome has, I believe they would have come close, equaled, or exceeded Iginla's point totals.

One thing they did do for Calgary is bring a cup back with them from Montreal in 1989.

Sad to say it, but Iginla returned from Tampa Bay empty handed. He was a non-factor in Game 7.

[skcli]

I wish to keep Iginla in Calgary but not as a player. He can follow Conroy's route to make a mark in the management. As a player, the longer he stay, the longer it takes to rebuild. That is a lose/lose situation

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, at this point this sort of goes hand in hand with the how many players away the Flames are. Right now, I don't feel Iginla, and Kiprusoff can be relied upon to be what they've been. Iginla really should be a second line forward, first line guy if he's playing with other top line types. Right now he's playing with a guy who's a fringe top line LW'er in Tanguay converted to center, and Glencross who should be on a second line tops. He's no longer a guy who can carry a line like that.

Question is will he remove his NTC? 2 weeks from now the team could be in a position where management has to approach him and ask him about it.

Tanguay is leading the team in points and Glencross has more Goals then Iginla. Maybe Tanguay and Glencross would be doing better without Iginla?

Maybe they would be first line players if they had a game breaker?

lol. I am amazed there are still fans out there that believe if Iginla had a first line center he would lead this team to glory and put up 100 points.

Sorry pal. Iginla has 1 goal in 10 games and Hartley has given him top forward minutes and 1st line powerplay.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I wish Calgary fans were more like Montreal fans.

Demanding more of its team and players.

Some fans are content with mediocrity.

We traded Doug Gilmour, Joe Neweindyk, Gary Roberts & Theoren Fleury.

I believe these players were just as good as Iginla.
If all these players played on the Flames as long as Jarome has, I believe they would have come close, equaled, or exceeded Iginla's point totals.

One thing they did do for Calgary is bring a cup back with them from Montreal in 1989.

Sad to say it, but Iginla returned from Tampa Bay empty handed. He was a non-factor in Game 7.

While I can't disagree with much in this post, I think it's important to note that the Flames drafted 3 of the 4 players you list here. The Flames also need to find a team to pilfer good players from, much like the Blues in the 1980's.

It's also interesting that you note Montreal in this post, considering they are the last Canadian team to win a cup. In the last 8 SCF's, 4 of those teams have been canadian and come up empty every time.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I wish Calgary fans were more like Montreal fans.

Demanding more of its team and players.

Some fans are content with mediocrity.

We traded Doug Gilmour, Joe Neweindyk, Gary Roberts & Theoren Fleury.

I believe these players were just as good as Iginla.
If all these players played on the Flames as long as Jarome has, I believe they would have come close, equaled, or exceeded Iginla's point totals.

One thing they did do for Calgary is bring a cup back with them from Montreal in 1989.

Sad to say it, but Iginla returned from Tampa Bay empty handed. He was a non-factor in Game 7.

This is exactly the type of immature ridiculous post that irritates me in the Iginla discussion.

Do I really need to point out to you that the 2004 Flames were nowhere near the team the 1989 Flames were? Do you realize that all those players you posted were actually teammates, and they had other HOF caliber players playing with them? That the 2004 Flames would'nt have even been in the finals without Iginla?

You go ahead and be more like a Montreal fan, I hope most of us choose to be more level headed. I bet it would make you really happy to see some "Iginla Sucks" threads.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I wish Calgary fans were more like Montreal fans.

Demanding more of its team and players.

Some fans are content with mediocrity.

We traded Doug Gilmour, Joe Neweindyk, Gary Roberts & Theoren Fleury.

I believe these players were just as good as Iginla.
If all these players played on the Flames as long as Jarome has, I believe they would have come close, equaled, or exceeded Iginla's point totals.

One thing they did do for Calgary is bring a cup back with them from Montreal in 1989.

Sad to say it, but Iginla returned from Tampa Bay empty handed. He was a non-factor in Game 7.

Good point but those guys were on the same team at the same time alongside other stars. Suter, Macinnis, Makarov, Mullen...

That was one of the best rosters in nhl history. They should have won a bunch of cups.

Iggy and Kipper carried their team.

[Badgers Nose]

Iggy is going nowhere. His value Has nothing to do with his on ice play. He could score 0 goals in a season and he still wouldn't be going anywhere.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Igottago

This is exactly the type of immature ridiculous post that irritates me in the Iginla discussion.

Do I really need to point out to you that the 2004 Flames were nowhere near the team the 1989 Flames were? Do you realize that all those players you posted were actually teammates, and they had other HOF caliber players playing with them? That the 2004 Flames would'nt have even been in the finals without Iginla?

You go ahead and be more like a Montreal fan, I hope most of us choose to be more level headed. I bet it would make you really happy to see some "Iginla Sucks" threads.

No we would not be in the 2004 Finals without Kipprusoff and Gelinas. Both of those players played better than Iginla in the finals. If the Flames would have won the cup in 2004, Iginla would not have even come up in the Conn Smythe trophy award.

Sorry if my opinion differs from yours but there are far better Franchise Players out there than Iginla that played on Canadian teams.
Naslund, Linden, Alfredsson, Sundin all come to mind. These players made it past the 1st round more than once!

Sorry, I am a die hard Flames fan, but I refuse to sugar coat this team and more importantly its best Players inadequacies. I refuse to toe the 'Iginla can do no wrong' line.