[PGT] Flames lose 6-3 vs Avs

[skcli]

Feaster is going to talk about intellectual honesty within a month -- he tried to trade Iginla but there are no interest

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know I'm in the minority but I will take boring defensive hockey that produces wins over this crap all the time.

Brent Sutter got more out of this team than was there, sadly there were a lot of fans who actually thought the Flames were (are) a playoff team without Sutter. At least now the core does not have to even pretend to care about defense, that is way more entertaining. Hard to see this team beating Chicago, and if they lose that game it is a 1-4-1 start and they only have to go about 11 games over .500 over their last 42 games (26-15-1) to make the playoffs.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's not like it was getting us wins anyway.

Not everyone bought into Sutter's system.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by troutman

I swear every mistake this team makes ends up in the net, and they need 4 or 5 good scoring chances for every goal they get.

They are getting way more chances to score than they ever did under the Sutters, but the will to win is not strong enough.

And the Dive-alanche were up to their usual tricks, dropping on the lightest contacts.

If kipper plays as good as an avg goalie the flames win tonight.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know I'm in the minority but I will take boring defensive hockey that produces wins over this crap all the time.

I would to. But I will take this over boring defensive hockey that doesn't produce wins. AKA the Flames for the last three seasons.

[Five-hole]

Well this thread has turned into a collection of really odd arguments.

My thoughts.

First line was way, way too pre-occupied with trying to get Iginla a goal tonight. That #$^@ has to stop. Who cares if he doesn't have a goal? He's been playing well. I thought Jarome was fine tonight. His linemates were just awful.

Cammalleri. What the hell, man.

Stempniak was completely invisible tonight. Backlund was until the 3rd.

Too much open ice in our own zone for Avs forwards.

Nothing more needs be said about how bad Kipper was. Giguere was far, far better.

No urgency on the power play. Probably looked at Colorado's stat line and thought it would be easy to bag a few PP goals.

Just about every time there could be a backbreaking goal scored against us, there was. Unbelievable. Not a lot of confidence coupled with some bad luck going on right now.

I dunno, I really thought that we might be a good (at least, better) team this year. There were positive signs up to this point. Unfortunately, "there are positive signs" can also mean "things have mostly been bad". Thus far it appears that "mostly bad" is the key part to focus in on, not the "positive signs".

Iginla has to go. Not because he's been bad. He's been fine. He's just been the only constant save Kipper since 2004 and, ironically, outside of tonight's game, the team's lack of success obviously doesn't fall at Kipper's feet. Everything else has changed. I love the guy, but at what point do you realize that literally everything else has been tried, with little to no variation in results? Some years, we're good defensively. Some years, we're good offensively. Some years, we have a good PP. The only constant is the total inability to win a big game. The number of big games we've won since Game 5 in Tampa is a very, very short list, and in the last 4-5 years, I'm not sure there's a single one on it.

If that's not leadership, what is it?

[djsFlames]

I'll take 6-5 type hockey if it gets us in the playoffs.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The Flames need to have a higher standard then being somewhat competitive against a bad team playing their 3-game in 4-nights. This should have been a dominant game for the Flames and it wasn't. I wouldn't have been particularly thrilled even if we won this game 5-4. It wasn't good enough. The silver lining is made of tin foil and is really just another excuse on an never ending stream of them.

If this was one game then I would get the argument. But it isn't just one game.

It's only good on paper if you ignore what the majority of these players have done the last few seasons. If you don't, it's mediocre to bad on paper.

[Stay Golden]

Short season, new coach and system that inspires his players to play a go go offensive brand of hockey and Iggy is still a slow starter to the season.
Something has got to give.

[old-fart]

Hard to imagine this team making the playoffs, or really even coming close. Cant play a 60 minute game and dont seem to have the desire to learn how to.

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Fact is this team actually has a very good team on paper.

I'm so tired of reading this crap. No playoffs in three seasons and the last time they won a playoff round was two lock-outs ago. The only paper this team looks good on is toilet paper.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Keenan made the playoffs twice and Sutter missed three times. I don't understand your point.

First of all Keenan had arguably the most talented Flames roster since the early 90's and parlayed it into a sloppy, high scoring team that was never a threat to advance in the playoffs. It's why he got fired. Now with Cammalleri, Kipper, and Iginla much older on a team with considerable less talent do we really want to revert to that type of hockey?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by skcli

Feaster is going to talk about intellectual honesty within a month -- he tried to trade Iginla but there are no interest

Teams would move heaven and earth to pick up Iginla.

[skcli]

Originally Posted by alcatrazhockey

Speaking of old bums, Tanguay is signed through the 2016 season, pretty sure he should be in a care home by then.

Another example of how the Flames offer long term contract to vets who cannot play elsewhere

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Keenan made the playoffs twice and Sutter missed three times. I don't understand your point.

We should hire Keenan then, maybe he can get Iginla and Kipper back in their prime to bring this team to the playoffs. Keenan made the playoffs with a far superior team. But that is all ancient history now, the dressing room got what they wanted, a players coach playing "entertaining" hockey, now they can win some games perhaps.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

I'm so tired of reading this crap. No playoffs in three seasons and the last time they won a playoff round was two lock-outs ago. The only paper this team looks good on is toilet paper.

I lol'ed

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Short season, new coach and system that inspires his players to play a go go offensive brand of hockey and Iggy is still a slow starter to the season.
Something has got to give.

Iginla has to go. If you can get good value in return i'd make the trade.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Loubardias was saying this afternoon that tonights game was massive for this team and he's a positive guy. I'm pretty sure he will be talking tomorrow about this loss as devastating as it really is. There is simply no way you can sugarcoat this game. It was truly horrible and Hartley now probably realizes like the last three coaches that this Flames head coaching job is much more of an undertaking than it looks from the outside. This team has major, major issues that aren't going to be fixed until the roster gets a overhaul that includes number 12 leaving and a new player assuming the role of captain.

It's not sugar coating when you use facts. Flames had more shots, chances and control of the play. They had more hits, more takeaways. They easily could have won this. How do you debate facts?

This game simply came down to goaltending. If Kipper was good or hell, even mediocre, the Flames come out with 2 points.

It was there in the third period for the taking, it's not as bad a loss as you're making it out to be.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I lol'ed

Did you honestly?

It was such a grandfather joke.

[Flame$4Ever]

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