Once again.. a different mindset. What would you think if I told you we also shot coyotes for fun as well? Of course us killing coyotes meant the dead coyote wouldnt be able to mess with the animals such as calves, chickens , etc...
An idiotic mindset?
Shooting living creatures for "fun" is not the same as shooting living creatures for population control.
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I recall when my son was young, he got together with a young friend from the US, and they went out walking through the bush with my son's pellet gun. A while later I found a bunch of squirrel tales hidden in the garage, and found out that the young friend had talked my son into hunting them, as they were accustomed to doing down where he lived in the US.
My son looked pretty sheepish when I showed him the tales. Naturally the pellet gun was seized, and my son was grounded for a while.
Nothing is wrong with me . I am well adjusted adult. What are you implying is wrong with me?
You were a child out killing animals for jollies, and consider it a part of the lifestyle of the area. A different way of life, you say. I say that's a pathetic excuse for getting off on killing ####. It's pretty clear there's something wrong with you, with that whole damn mindset. Perhaps you get along with other adult human beings fine, but, let me say it again -- you killed animals for fun as a child. That's ####ed up. Socrates once said the unexamined life isn't worth living. Examine your life.
You went out as little kid, killed things -- blasted their bodies open -- for fun. You took their lives for nothing. Abso-lutely nothing.
It isn't about population control, it's about nothing else but having some fun by taking life. Population control, in the case of your dead coyotes, is just a beneficial side effect. You didn't kill them for that -- like you said, you did it for kicks. That isn't taking guns seriously, not even close. I hate to make the analogy, but if I go kill a person for fun that's about to be fried in an electric chair and is better off for it anyway, that doesn't make what I did any less ####ed up.
I feel affected by this whole ####. This school shooting, the constant excuse making in the United States, the refusal to own up to despicable actions. Over and over I read on websites Americans refusing to acknowledge the ####ed up gun culture that possesses their country. They just refuse to do it. Children get massacred and they just won't do it. It's going to happen again, and still nothing will be done. All because of . . . what?
I think I'll take a break from the internet for a few days.
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Once again.. a different mindset. What would you think if I told you we also shot coyotes for fun as well? Of course us killing coyotes meant the dead coyote wouldnt be able to mess with the animals such as calves, chickens , etc...
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This is why people can't have discussions here, they always get verbally abused. Are you implying that I'm an idiot?
Nothing is wrong with me . I am well adjusted adult. What are you implying is wrong with me?
Any time the word 'fun' is used in taking another living creatures life, that to me, is cause for concern. I still get choked up if I run over a gopher or squirrel on the highway.
And shooting turtles? Sorry man, that's low. Why don't you just shoot paint cans or something. How hard is it to shoot a turtle? Is the beautifully joyous part knowing you have inflicted horrible pain on it, and snuffed out it's life? Or just the actual shooting the gun part? I am genuinely curious what part of killing it is the part that brings the most joy.
I recall when my son was young, he got together with a young friend from the US, and they went out walking through the bush with my son's pellet gun. A while later I found a bunch of squirrel tales hidden in the garage, and found out that the young friend had talked my son into hunting them, as they were accustomed to doing down where he lived in the US.
My son looked pretty sheepish when I showed him the tales. Naturally the pellet gun was seized, and my son was grounded for a while.
I'm Canadian , my cousins and other rural friends are all Canadian and we all shot squirrels with our pellet guns. It has nothing to your sons friend being American , many Canadian farm kids would do the same thing.
The glee many of the posters here are getting from bashing all Americans as gun carrying crazies is every bit as disgraceful as some of the extreme statements made from the NRA.
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I'm Canadian , my cousins and other rural friends are all Canadian and we all shot squirrels with our pellet guns. It has nothing to your sons friend being American , many Canadian farm kids would do the same thing.
The glee many of the posters here are getting from bashing all Americans as gun carrying crazies is every bit as disgraceful as some of the extreme statements made from the NRA.
Maybe you can answer my question then. What part of killing animals for no reason was the funnest part, that gave you the most warm fuzzy joy?
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You were a child out killing animals for jollies, and consider it a part of the lifestyle of the area. A different way of life, you say. I say that's a pathetic excuse for getting off on killing ####. It's pretty clear there's something wrong with you, with that whole damn mindset. Perhaps you get along with other adult human beings fine, but, let me say it again -- you killed animals for fun as a child. That's ####ed up. Socrates once said the unexamined life isn't worth living. Examine your life.
You went out as little kid, killed things -- blasted their bodies open -- for fun. You took their lives for nothing. Abso-lutely nothing.
It isn't about population control, it's about nothing else but having some fun by taking life. Population control, in the case of your dead coyotes, is just a beneficial side effect. You didn't kill them for that -- like you said, you did it for kicks. That isn't taking guns seriously, not even close. I hate to make the analogy, but if I go kill a person for fun that's about to be fried in an electric chair and is better off for it anyway, that doesn't make what I did any less ####ed up.
I feel affected by this whole ####. This school shooting, the constant excuse making in the United States, the refusal to own up to despicable actions. Over and over I read on websites Americans refusing to acknowledge the ####ed up gun culture that possesses their country. They just refuse to do it. Children get massacred and they just won't do it. It's going to happen again, and still nothing will be done. All because of . . . what?
I think I'll take a break from the internet for a few days.
I think that's a good idea.
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I think some people are getting carried away. Hunting is an enjoyable sport, and as long as you obey the rules, and eat what you kill, that's all right by me.
Maybe you can answer my question then. What part of killing animals for no reason was the funnest part, that gave you the most warm fuzzy joy?
Well first off they were seen as pests, secondly I was a young kid who at the time liked to hunt, it was good practice. I fed them to the dog and cats , no different than people with snakes feeding them mice. And trust me us kids killing them with one shot was a lot more humane way of them dying than what the dog and especially the cat did with them when they caught them. Both enjoyed playing with their "food " before eating.
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You were a child out killing animals for jollies, and consider it a part of the lifestyle of the area. A different way of life, you say. I say that's a pathetic excuse for getting off on killing ####. It's pretty clear there's something wrong with you, with that whole damn mindset. Perhaps you get along with other adult human beings fine, but, let me say it again -- you killed animals for fun as a child. That's ####ed up. Socrates once said the unexamined life isn't worth living. Examine your life.
You went out as little kid, killed things -- blasted their bodies open -- for fun. You took their lives for nothing. Abso-lutely nothing.
It isn't about population control, it's about nothing else but having some fun by taking life. Population control, in the case of your dead coyotes, is just a beneficial side effect. You didn't kill them for that -- like you said, you did it for kicks. That isn't taking guns seriously, not even close. I hate to make the analogy, but if I go kill a person for fun that's about to be fried in an electric chair and is better off for it anyway, that doesn't make what I did any less ####ed up.
I feel affected by this whole ####. This school shooting, the constant excuse making in the United States, the refusal to own up to despicable actions. Over and over I read on websites Americans refusing to acknowledge the ####ed up gun culture that possesses their country. They just refuse to do it. Children get massacred and they just won't do it. It's going to happen again, and still nothing will be done. All because of . . . what?
I think I'll take a break from the internet for a few days.
Yeah you probably should because you're being a pretentious #######. Who are you to judge what's right and wrong? Im not calling you a dip#### because you didn't do the stuff I did. I don't believe I have put anyone down for any of their differing views here. Why? Because it's not for me to put people down for what they believe.
Anyone could make an argument to put someone else's views down. I could say , you probably drive a car. You drive a car because you like to , or it gets you somewhere faster .... however do you know how many bugs you kill, CO2 you release into the air , natural resources you use up by driving cars? yet you still choose to drive a car.... What an #######
or Calgarians love going to the stampede. It's fun they enjoy it but with going to and supporting that event they are perpetuating a cycle of chuckwagon races where horses die needlessly. What #######s
( Note: I dont believe either of these things but just pointing out arguments people could make about what other people do)
I could go on and on...
You should worry about yourself and less about what others do. I shot turtles as a 7 yr old kid because my dad said, see if you can hit the turtle on that rock across the pond. I didnt think twice about it and I still wouldn't. Guess what, there are still as many turtles in that pond today. I didn't get off on killing things because I was killing things. I was doing because that's what people did and I just did it . Is that right or wrong? Who am I to judge? but more importantly who the hell are you to judge?
I'll give you a couple Socrates quotes you can chew on too..
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
Yeah you probably should because you're being a pretentious #######. Who are you to judge what's right and wrong? Im not calling you a dip#### because you didn't do the stuff I did. I don't believe I have put anyone down for any of their differing views here. Why? Because it's not for me to put people down for what they believe.
Anyone could make an argument to put someone else's views down. I could say , you probably drive a car. You drive a car because you like to , or it gets you somewhere faster .... however do you know how many bugs you kill, CO2 you release into the air , natural resources you use up by driving cars? yet you still choose to drive a car.... What an #######
or Calgarians love going to the stampede. It's fun they enjoy it but with going to and supporting that event they are perpetuating a cycle of chuckwagon races where horses die needlessly. What #######s
( Note: I dont believe either of these things but just pointing out arguments people could make about what other people do)
I could go on and on...
You should worry about yourself and less about what others do. I shot turtles as a 7 yr old kid because my dad said, see if you can hit the turtle on that rock across the pond. I didnt think twice about it and I still wouldn't. Guess what, there are still as many turtles in that pond today. I didn't get off on killing things because I was killing things. I was doing because that's what people did and I just did it . Is that right or wrong? Who am I to judge? but more importantly who the hell are you to judge?
Oh I'll give you a couple Socrates quotes you can chew on too..
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
and finally
"“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
I hope you can understand why your ridiculously inept argument based on moral subjectivism utterly fails when you start spouting it in this thread, of all threads.
Every single one of us is in here because of the actions someone took, actions which resulted in deaths, and you're sitting there telling me I shouldn't worry about what others do? Are you ####ting me? What do you think we're all in here for? Discussing potential gun law for no reason? Do you think we shouldn't give a #### about what the shooter did, because he might have "believed" it to be right? Do you think we have no right to judge the shooter's actions? Who the #### am I to decide whether shooting those people was right or wrong, right? In your land of moral subjectivism there is no being held responsible in the eyes of others because, hey, it's just my belief!
Killing for kicks is wrong. Period. Your Dad encouraging you to do it doesn't make me feel any better. The taking of life is the one thing that should be everyone's business. That, and attributing quotes to people that didn't say them. Do another Google search.
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I hope you can understand why your ridiculously inept argument based on moral subjectivism utterly fails when you start spouting it in this thread, of all threads.
Every single one of us is in here because of the actions someone took, actions which resulted in deaths, and you're sitting there telling me I shouldn't worry about what others do? Are you ####ting me? What do you think we're all in here for? Discussing potential gun law for no reason? Do you think we shouldn't give a #### about what the shooter did, because he might have "believed" it to be right? Do you think we have no right to judge the shooter's actions? Who the #### am I to decide whether shooting those people was right or wrong, right? In your land of moral subjectivism there is no being held responsible in the eyes of others because, hey, it's just my belief!
Killing for kicks is wrong. Period. Your Dad encouraging you to do it doesn't make me feel any better. The taking of life is the one thing that should be everyone's business.
I thought you were taking a break? Im saying I think you're being a jerk. How about that? You don't know me , you aren't from were I am from yet you have pretty much proclaimed that I am an idiot due to my mindset. If it makes any difference to you I don't put much stock in your opinion anyway so we can end our back and forth now.
I thought you were taking a break? Im saying I think you're being a jerk. How about that? You don't know me , you aren't from were I am from yet you have pretty much proclaimed that I am an idiot due to my mindset. If it makes any difference to you I don't put much stock in your opinion anyway so we can end our back and forth now.
Your complete lack of regret and attempted rationalization over killing animals for fun as a child brought me back momentarily. I'm weak that way. I'm done now.
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Your complete lack of regret and attempted rationalization over killing animals for fun as a child brought me back momentarily. I'm weak that way. I'm done now.
No worries, I can permanently put you on one from here.
Admittedly, I find hunting, unless it's the absolute last resort for food, being morally and ethically repugnant.
That said however, not everyone is brought up in the same environment, and have different cultural norms. Some parts of the chinese culture thinks that the more mistresses you have the more awesome you are (Tiger Woods became more popular there after his scandal for example). That doesn't mean that here or in the US that all of a sudden adultery should be heralded.
Similarly with rural people in both Canada and the US, hunting is a part of their every day lives and has been since the fur traders back in the 1800's. You can't just magically turn that switch off even though you and I might find it disgusting. You cannot blame the cat for catching the mouse so to speak.
Each one of us is true to ourselves because that's who we are as individuals. Whether one seeks wisdom in another's philosophical beliefs or remains vigilant to their own opinion is up to the individual. The only thing that one can be hopeful for is that perhaps the perceived negative thing will not get passed down through to the following generation.
It's like with gay marriage as an example. 20 years ago you were seeing people still getting lynched and beat up just because they were gay. Now, most of those that were opposed have since died, while the younger generation is mostly accepting of it. Eventually those that are still staunchly opposed to it (65+ age group) will not be a factor and then it'll be accepted by the majority and will become normalized over time, just like interracial marriage and black people having the right to vote etc. These things did not magically happen overnight. Nor will it be possible to get rid of guns or the gun culture or hunting or any of the other negative things that go on (poverty etc.), until there's a ground swell of support towards getting rid of those things and then eventually over time things will change.
That's not excusing what an individual might have done. Everybody has their own set of sins. Some of the things we might find trivial, another might find equally as disgusting. The only thing that there can be in an open and honest debate between individuals in hopes that progress towards general "good" can be made.
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